AMD Demos 7nm Vega GPU: Betting Big on Machine Learning for Radeon Instinct; Shipping This Yearby Anton Shilov on June 6, 2018 1:30 AM EST
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In a fairly unexpected move, AMD formally demonstrated at Computex its previously-roadmapped 7nm-built Vega GPU. As per AMD's roadmaps on the subject, the chip will be used for AMD’s Radeon Instinct series accelerators for AI, ML, and similar applications.
The 7nm Vega GPU relies on the 5th Generation GCN architecture and in many ways resembles the Vega 10 GPU launched last year. Meanwhile, the new processor features a number of important hardware enhancements, particularly deep-learning ops specifically for the AI/ML markets. AMD isn't detailing these operations at this point, though at a minimum I'd expect to see Int8 dot products on top of Vega's native high speed FP16 support.
AMD also briefly discussed the use of Infinity Fabric with the new 7nm GPU. AMD already uses the fabric internally on Vega 10, and based on some very limited comments it looks like they are going to use it externally on the 7nm GPU. On AMD's Zeppelin CPU dies - used in the EPYC CPU lineup - AMD can switch between Infinity Fabric and PCIe over the same lanes depending on how a product is configured, so it's possible we're going to see something similar here. In other words, AMD can kick in Infinity Fabric when they have something else to connect it to on the other end.
As a part of its demonstration, AMD also disclosed that the prototype Radeon Vega Instinct accelerator card carried 32 GB of HBM2 memory spread across four KGSD stacks. Assuming that these are 1024-bit HBM2 stacks, it looks like the new Vega got a 4096-bit bus, which will be welcome with the HPC crowd.
Otherwise, AMD is not disclosing the exact specifications of the 7nm Vega GPU, so we don't know how many CUs and other functional blocks the chip has. Compared to GloFo's 14nm process, the density savings of 7nm are significant. However I fully expect AMD to immediately reinvest those savings into more CUs, more memory controllers, etc.
Though based on some very rough paper napkin math coming the size of the HBM2 packages to the GPU die, a really conservative estimate for the die size puts it around 14mm X 24mm, or 336mm2. Though this is quite likely an underestimate, and we'll redo our calculations if we can get some better photos of the chip.
One especially bright spot for AMD here is that their shipping schedule has moved up by at least a quarter. Previously AMD was going to have the 7nm GPU sampling by the end of the year and shipping in 2019. Instead the 7nm Vega GPU is sampling now and the launch window has been moved up to H2'18. This is an incredibly aggressive schedule, given that we're only expecting the first 7nm SoCs - decidedly smaller devices that make for good pipecleaners - to ship in the same timeframe. So AMD appears to be taking the NVIDIA route and shipping their big GPU early, eating any yield issues in the process. It's a risky strategy, but if customer demand is there, then as we've seen in NVIDIA's case, it can pay off handsomely.
Finally, Lisa Su also quickly reiterated that the rest of AMD's GPU roadmap hasn't changed from earlier this year. This means that after the 7nm Vega GPU for compute users, AMD will be bringing 7nm GPUs out to gamers & other consumers as well in the form of Navi. AMD has not announced a timeframe for this, but we're certainly not expecting this until sometime in 2019.
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Amandtec - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - linkWhen will external infinity fabric work for video card versions ? So you can seamlessly join (say) 10x 1080ti's and play some Crysis in 16k, should you really be that bored and well off.
Ryan Smith - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link"When will external infinity fabric work for video card versions ?"
Don't expect it any time soon. These custom fabrics are for HPC use where the entire motherboard layout can be customized for the specific processors being used. This is the opposite of standardized PC plug & play functionality.
Bulat Ziganshin - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - linkthis "infinity" fabric is so slow that it can't handle even single 1080ti
Arnulf - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link1080ti is sadly limited to the maximum bandwidth of PCIe 3 x16 interface.
Infinity Fabric is 32.5% faster than PCIe 3 1080ti is limited to (10.6 GT/s vs. 8 GT/s). Per x16 link, that is, number of links depends on the CPU in question.
Bad 1080ti are just bad.
0xbaada555 - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - linkdo you mean that a 1080ti saturates a 15.76GB/s link. that cannot be true
Dragonstongue - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - linkBS on that, Nv artificially limits things via drivers and such
Infinity Fabric is WAY higher speed than any current GPU uses over PCI-E versions, so if 1080Ti can operate "perfectly" over PCI-E 3.0 speeds than Infinity Fabric at an approximate 2-3x the throughput cannot "limit" the performance either.
Dragonstongue - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - linkInfinity Fabric is AMD so likely it will never happen with Nv support, seeing as Nv absolutely did not want any of the advanced features Vulkan or DX12 brings to the table (because it would mean they cannot always screw with the software stacks to make it act as if their GPU was even better than it was)
Also Nv does NOT want multi-gpu usage ability because it can limit potential sales of their most $$$$$ GPU for any reason.
anyways external infinity fabric, I do not see this happening any time soon (or at all) for anything but AMD specific hardware (for many reasons)
they all seem to want to keep everything proprietary BS, everyone but AMD IMO who seem to be wanting to get as much open source, everyone can use no problem, but Intel, Nv, Apple, MSFT want none of that because it means less $$$$$$$ being gouged from the proprietary crud they pull ^.^
Zan Lynx - Saturday, June 9, 2018 - linkAMD and Nvidia are both members of OpenCAPI. So why wouldn't they use CAPI? That's Coherent Accelerator Processor Interface.
levizx - Sunday, August 26, 2018 - linkBecause OpenCAPI has limited usage scenario, eg, it can't be used to replace Memory Fabric, and even POWER9 doesn't use it to talk to each other.
It's basically a special implementation of PCI-E.
mczak - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link4x512bit = 4096 bit?