Finally something competitive from Logitech in a reasonable price range. Razer and SteelSeries have had mice with less advanced sensors offering all these features for less than Logitech, until now. This mouse goes head to head, feature wise, with the SteelSeries Sensei, while being less expensive and having a modern sensor.
Logitech mouse quality sucks, some older models from 90's vere great. I have MX1000, battery life sucks, even when was new, I had to replace it with DIY kit, scrolling button is bad. Than I have M500, left button is giving me problems. Very hardly I would ever buy another Logitech mouse.
Again, I think that depends on which model you have, and under what conditions you use it. It could also be luck of the draw. My MX518 is over 3.5 years old, and still performs as if it was new. I recently replaced it with a G400s, simply because I wanted the newer, upgraded, more accurate sensor in the G400s. The MX518 will serve as a backup mouse in case I ever need it. I foresee the G400s lasting a long time.
I forgot to add, I exclusively buy wired mice for the reliability and performance they offer. I was never a fan of wireless mice, and in my experience wireless mice have far more problems than wired mice overall.
I was a bit amazed about that opening statement of the article "enhancing and refining the input peripheral over the years.", because what I see is them releasing a mouse, then releasing a fixed version, rinse and repeat. And as for the functionality and ergonomics, that waxes and wanes all the time. Overall it seems they have a decline over the years.
I hear they are pretty flexible about replacing defective parts though.
Less advanced sensors? This mouse may have a higher DPI, but its just a single sensor. One of the great things about Razer mice is their dual sensor technology. It really does make it far more accurate on just about any surface.
I'll give that it works better on problematic surfaces that other sensors might have trouble getting accurate readings from, but otherwise there is no accuracy benefit to using dual sensors in any case where a person is using a reasonable mousing surface. In fact dual sensors add complication and the need to account for 2 sensors inputting location data over a larger period of time than it takes to read one data point.
As far as build quality - I'll take Logitech over Razer for any product across the line.
After reading a string of posts talking about the lack of quality of the current company Logitech is, I think it is important for me to say that I have moved on from their products. There are better choices, among them Corsair, but I believe Razer isn't one of them, based on to what I have read in recent years about Razer products. My mouse is a Mad Catz design, and while I wouldn't recommend one of their earlier products because they are so dang finicky I have to say the R.A.T. TE is the best mouse I have ever used, and it fits my hand and sense of style.
SteelSeries - I have 2 different SteelSeries mousing surfaces and both are superb. Unfortunately they don't make the one I consider to be the best anymore. I have owned 2 of their mice and I would put the quality in the Razer range (or at least what I believe is the Razer range, low to medium quality) and am not likely to buy another SteelSeries mouse.
Serious? Logitech released the G100S which is $30 and has the best sensor of any mouse on the market. Sure it's light-on for features (features include a wheel and both right and left clicking), but in terms of pure mousing, it's the best available (better than their higher-end mice for some reason). It's not amazing quality-wise though (buttons feel a little cheap).
That's the problem though. Logitech is like Samsung. They have very advanced products but they just feel cheap. I haven't tried a G100S but I think it's safe to assume a $30 Logitech mouse is like every other cheap Logitech mouse I've owned...
And I know Razer has slipped a lot since the Lycosa keyboard (2011+) but I'd still take a Razer product based on quality alone over an equivilently priced Logitech product. And if Steelseries could get their buggy software squared away, they'd be at the top of my list because I just love their stuff: I have a Sensei Raw and the H headset (the most amazing headphones I've ever had.)
I love Razer, they are an awesome company...but quality is not one of their strong points. It is, however, one of Logitech's.
Logitech's products are WAY higher quality than Razer's. I think you have Razer and Logitech mixed up. Logitech's problem for a long time has been their inferior tech. The G100S is actually very Razer-like in that sense - except that it's cheap enough to just replace when it dies/somebody else brings out a mouse with a sensor that good that's of better quality.
i agree with you, i have everything from gyro inputs to microsoft and razer etc. logitech takes a beating does the job well, just plug it in customize it with it or not. razer er not known for quality at all u beat it and hope you can get a year out of it from everything i read about it. only point i would disagree is razor certainly does not have more advanced anything....it is the form factors and layout alone along with the cool gamer cred they cultivate. i bought razor for the form factor in gaming not that anything else is better. I wish logitech would move more products into razors space.
You haven't laid hands on the Note 4, have you? It doesn't feel slightly cheap. Neither does the Samsung Gear 2 (can't speak for Gear S). Neither does my Samsung refrigerator. Or my Samsung TV...
Think twice before purchasing anything from this company. Their ways have changed drastically. Logitech's customer service and warranty is nothing but a joke. Read their forum for other examples. They lie, ignore you and even steal your stuff!
I will second this. I have a G600 that logitech will not update the firmware to fix a pretty nasty bug that basically makes it unusable for gaming. The first production run can't be updated by the end user, so you have to send it in. They refused the service for me because I purchased it from Amazon Warehouse Deals, even after I offered to pay shipping in both directions.
I had to make a three hour drive for work while this dispute was going on, so I decided to try to make it as high as I could get through their help desk and ended up getting a direct line to their legal department for the US. Told basically that they didn't care what I wanted to pay, they wouldn't help me. Considering I had Logitech mice and keyboards on 4 PCs in my house, and two Harmony remotes, I was quite surprised. Already switched several devices over to Razer, still waiting on my harmonies to die so I can go to URC.
Sadly I'm starting to feel the same about Logitech.
Purchased the G602 about 7-8 months ago and the middle mouse button stopped working 6 months in. So two weeks ago went and purchased the G700s and now I'm having connectivity issues with the mouse. Definitely some sort of driver conflict going on. I can reinstall the driver and it works fine for about 24 hours than starts freezing and dropping off its connection. This is on a clean OS install as well...
Yeah I switched away from Logitech also, their support is a joke. I have had to RMA my Razer mouse, and it was a very good experience. Tech Support was helpful, and had a new replacement (not a fixed one) at my door 6 days later.
I had a mouse that went tits up, only to be told that since the serial number had worn off (unavoidable since it was in a location that hit the pad), I was screwed. They lost me forever.
I just returned and am receiving a replacement for a G930 purchased two years ago, free of any fees or shipping charges. While the process has been fairly slow it has not been difficult and Logitech is completely forthcoming in that they have cooperated entirely.
I had a G602 mouse replaced under warranty recently. I sent an email to their support, they sent one back offering common suggestions. I replied that I had already attempted them and that same day a replacement order was made and I had a new mouse at my door in a few days. No joke here. Very professional. Don't buy the isolated hissy fit stories.
I would love to say mine was a hissy fit. The original communications were all pretty simple, I fully expected to have to pay for shipping both ways (which seems pretty awful considering they know they produced a run of defective mice). I only escalated when they refused even that, and even then because I had a few hours to kill while driving for work. Just shoddy service all around. They designed a mouse with a defect, that couldn't be updated by the end user, and then refused to fix it for a fee. The only satisfaction I got was wasting an hour of a guys time in legal that cost them more than they made on the mouse.
If you think that producing defective products then refusing to fix them in a cost neutral fashion is good business, I don't know what to tell you.
I have this one as well (G5Laser with adjustable weights). However, I can't say it works much better than the Amazon basic mouse that's become my standard for all the other computers in the house. I really don't get the whole gaming mouse thing - maybe I don't play the right sorts of games?
This has also been my experience with Logitech. I will not be buying products from them. Their support is clueless, their warranty policies are strange (no part replacement? just complete device replacement? Isn't that expensive?), and I've never had anything with a stable driver from them.
The last good product I have was the Z-2300 speakers. The flimsy cable got a little loose, they wouldn't replace the dongle part (they don't ever seem to offer part replacement). All they would offer is to replace the entire speaker set with their cheaped out current generation speakers.
I also had the G930 wireless headphones and they were awful. They were constantly disconnecting/reconnecting with the wireless adapter, the drivers were poor with static and distortion issues that were never resolved. Eventually the usb connector failed and I'm left with a paperweight.
I had a logitech web cam (cost $100) once upon a time, it was also plagued with driver problems and they dropped support for it and never made post-XP drivers.
ironic? support might suck because nobody ever uses it... they make the most durable products, far better than razor... that's coming from a computer programmer that is still using the same keyboard from 5 years ago and have easily passed a million keystrokes
AND, I did actually have to use their support last month for first time in 20 years of computing, and they replaced my defective keyboard by just sending me a new one... and it was their backlit $80 keyboard... all I had to do was email them a picture of the broken keyboard and receipt of purchase... I didn't have to ship old keyboard back!
So are you just a spammer on the payroll of another company? You are posting the same exact post and link with the same username on lots of tech sites.
I really want to get another Logitech mouse. But I can't. Two factors or reasons:
1) I already have a Razer mouse that's fairly new 2) Logitech's software package is overly bloated
Obviously I am not in the market for a new mouse. Even if I was, it's hard for me to look at Logitech now. Logitech's mouse software is just too big and it often interferes with other software. So if you got useful software to help you do things like hardware monitoring, overlay systems, video capturing or broadcasting, somewhere within that mix, Logitech's mouse software will not work for you.
Logitech has completely redesigned the software suite for their new high end mice like the G502 and this mouse with the new sensors. The software is completely different and greatly reduced from their usual mouse software. They have new software for their new mechanical keyboard too. I'm a fussy mouse guy, have tried most of the high end mice, the G502 is the best and most consistent mouse I have used. It has eliminated weird acceleration issues and inconsistency that I found with other mice.
yeah i have bought logitech for gf and my laptop even though i loved my ergo sets gfrom ms, and had gyro mice and others. all get lots of use years of use no problem with any logi. i sprung for that 502 on sale this this is awesome for me i love unlock scroll with weight spin that sucker or the indicators on side showing each custom dpi profile multi on fly and paddle switch for in game frag the button assign surface cal etc all so easy and work. the razor i just got what garbage at 3 time price and sneaky software that feels like dataminer. probably a real gamer can go crazy with all the buttons (but not too many) and custom on this the wire sheath etc all top class.
The G-software they've been using for the last little while is really light and the settings actually save to the mouse firmware so you don't even need to run the software all the time.
P.S. Razer Synapse is awful, I don't want to be forced to sign up for and then log into an account just to configure my keyboard/mouse. I have a razer BlackWidow and I now get constantly bombarded with the Razer Synapse setup wizard I refuse to install every time Windows seems to decide that I need a driver update. That's right, you don't even need to download the bloatware anymore they're distributing it via Windows Update. Why does a keyboard need a massive bloated control panel anyway?
Yeah, the software certainly isn't what it use to be - and the product designs and direction logitech is going is disappointing for me. I use to be a huge fan of their offerings, but I've found more and more their products are not as great as they use to be. I was completely disappointed in the mouse-click tolerances for their MX/VX lines, and their discontinuation of their high-end speaker lines (or dilution, however you want to spin that; z-5500 series to be exact).
My one question for this mouse that wasn't answered was, does this work on glass, frosted and transparent? Does fluorescent lighting on said glass interfere with the sensor (reflected or nearby)?
I don't have a glass table to try this on, but I did try tracking on a window. Granted, the window wasn't exceptionally clean so it's probably more like frosted glass? Anyway, on a window it was fine. I also tried testing on a mirror however and that didn't work at all.
Losing the toggleable hyperscroll wheel and the "dedicated" DPI up and DPI down buttons seems like a pretty high price to pay to only save ~10 USD over the Logitech G502 Proteus Core (Assuming they both stay close to MSRP) when both mice are already priced very high.
Hopefully this new non-hyperscroll wheel will be long lasting unlike the old style non-hyperscroll wheel that was on most of Logitech mice before they introduced the hyperscroll wheel. That scroll wheel stopped being precise within a year or so and detached fully within 2 or so.
Hopefully they will launch a Logitech G403 with the same sensor that addresses both those issues while keeping a smaller form factor design than the G502 and drive the price of the G303 down another ~10 USD.
Also, I have to state again that you guys should do actual tests on mice since there are definite objective measures for mice that are extremely helpful for delineation between "bling" mice and true precision instruments.
No reviewers have done/are doing real mouse reviews at all since then.
The advertising value of the article would be exponentially increased if you guys replicated (or bettered) that testing regime as you would make an article effectively a reference article for a device that all gamers should care about.
Now that you guys have additional funding from your new owners you should really think about putting something like that into place.
It will seriously both significantly increase your "street cred" and your reputation for excellence in reviewing.
It will likely also shape the mouse industry as a whole to have real objective tests about the things that matter most in a mice.
Should you actually go about doing this I would suggest using a hard surface for the testing surface as soft surfaces are horrible for precision (and precision testing). That means either a piece of anodized aluminum like the Steelseries SX (sadly discontinued long ago) or a sheet of deep anodized aluminum that you purchase from a metal supplier or something. Deep annodized titanium unfortunately wouldn't work so well since the titanium "rust" is fairly translucent. Stainless Steel would probably also not be a good testing surface as it is fairly reflective and would interfere with sensors that cannot deal with that kind of thing.
Please take this comment into consideration :D. Fill the massive gaping hole in this space to increase your market share and value :P
The reason no one really benchmarks mice is that very few people care. Mice long ago surpassed most people's ability to perceive a difference. Even saying that it would be interesting if they actually did benchmark them. Add some credibility to it.
I'm still going to buy the mouse I like the hand feel of, but it might influence some people's buying decisions.
That attitude would have people still using 480i TVs because they are too stupid to know the difference between that and 4k @ 120 hz.
People's stupidity is a measure of current stupidity. The point of reviews is to decrease stupidity.
I'm sure you could probably get a sponsorship from logitech or something to do the testing.
Logitech spent big bucks making the excellent optical sensor in the G400 as well as the excellent optical sensor in the G502 and now G303.
They should see return on their investment and deny funding on the "bling" utter trash that is most of the market of mice and has been that way since the beginning of consumer mice sales.
We have several gaming computers at our house - I have a nice logitech "gaming" mouse on mine. Not sure which model, but you can adjust the weight (maybe G500). On a guest gaming computer we have a $7 Amazon basic mouse. There is really no difference at all for gaming - give the amazon basic mouse a decent surface and it performs just as well as my G500. I'm through buying expensive mice. I've never bothered installing any logitech software.
I like Logitech hardware but their software is awful so I stick to their basic keyboards and mice so I can just use built-in Windows drivers. So this rules out any gaming mice. I do just fine with standard mice, but I am not a competitive gamer or anything.
Their gaming mice actually work just fine even if you don't install the drivers. The adjustable sensitivity (provided the mouse has dedicated buttons for it) even works.
Can somebody tell me what is the fuss about all these new mice? I use to play Counter Strike to the point of killing my Logitech MX518 which I think is the greatest mouse of all. Admittedly I have not been gaming since 2008 so many things must of happened since then, but back few years ago MX518 was absolutely perfect, are these new mice really an improvement? They have more buttons, aye, but can they do things I could not do in Counter Strike when I used MX518 back 7 years ago? I would like to know your thoughts guys. Many thanks
They aren't that special. Many supposed gaming mice have acceleration and prediction you cannot turn off which makes them actually less accurate. I use a Logitech G400 for this reason, it has no acceleration of prediction. It looks generic, only has two buttons on the side, doesn't have any fancy 5000dpi, and is optical but I wouldn't trade it for many of the other options that exist today.
I've used the very similar G302 Daedalus Prime Moba mouse and it was excellent except for one major problem: Very high lift-off distance. It appears this mouse is similar but has adjustable LOD which would make it my next purchase when my current mouse fails.
I totally agree @nikon133 -- it seems like it could be an ambidextrous mouse, but yet it isn't. I wish they either put buttons on the other side as well, or have a left-handed version. I really wish us lefties had more top-tier mice to choose from.
I gave up on Logitech more or less 5-6 years ago when they stopped making high quality ambidextrous mice. Lucky for us, lefties and ambidextrous users, it still possible to find great high end mice. Until a few months ago I used a Razer Lachesis which was amazing and now I'm using a Mionix Avior 7000 which is even better.
Having Logitech and Microsoft more or less giving up on the high quality ambidextrous mouse market forced me to go with "unknown" brands, for me at least, and I couldn't be more happy because of this.
I hope I'm not insulting anyone by saying this but to me, mice with no thumb buttons are as outdated in design as were the "single button" Mac mouse of 25 years ago or more recently, mice with no scroll wheel. Sure, you can use them but "life" is so much easier with "modern" mice.
The G100S might have a great sensor but the design keeps it from being no more useful than a mouse I'd buy for 5$ in a bargain bin...
There's nothing I want less on a mouse than side buttons. They are completely useless and just restrict how you can hold the mouse. On larger mice they are fine - they don't get in the way, so why not have them? On smaller mice, if you use a claw grip, they are just about the worst thing a mouse can have.
My perfect mouse: button or switch out of the way somewhere for switching the DPI, left and right-click buttons that can be clicked reasonably far back on the mouse, a scroll-wheel with stops that feels nice and a great sensor. The buttons on the G100S feel as cheap as the mouse is, but to me the sensor makes up for it. Other than some refinement in the shape and those buttons, there's not much I'd change when designing a mouse.
Also, how can you have an ambi-dextrous mouse with side buttons? They are guaranteed to be in the way almost no matter what you do.
I'm going to assume you never used a good ambidextrous mouse with side buttons then. I use the "claw grip" and I never had any problems with accidently pressing one of the side buttons with any of the mice I used; Logitech MX310, Razer Lachesis, Mionix Avior 7000. On the Mionix I currently use, the thumb rest/grip just below the buttons for an easy access yet never pressed by accident. My little finger just hold the mouse on the other side, never touching the buttons.
To answer your question more directly, manufacturers wouldn't make high end ambidextrous mice with side buttons if no one was buying/using them.
One of the best known and recognized gaming mouse on the market(for everyone, not just ambidextrous users) is the Steelseries Sensei, an ambidextrous mouse.
i have a razor orbweaver stealth 2015 and a logitech proteus core g502. among many other mice /input devices.
the razor experience is poor in every way. they have a software that seems to be spyware just that wants to always be connected to internet, just to remap a key. a lot of people had to uproar about it to even get it to maybe run without internet and they certainly don't document where to shut it off . you have to research it on your own. you ask them why they charge tax and for who razor doesn't answer. i ordered direct a very expensive item and they dont even put the promo stuff they advertised. for a 160 bucks no onboard memory and a big dowload with datamine software. and all reports poor customer servive and never on sale.
logitech runs with or without a quick download, it just works. the mice are beautiful and well designed have onboard memory adjustable and customizable weights even extra pads included. and considered the best sensor out there with low overhead and also can be had on sale cheap. got mine for 59 bucks in store. the g303 looks to be a similar but less extras but more cute lights on the side (if thats your thing)than the core probably will be on sale somewhere for 49 bucks.
razor has one thing going for it it has cool gamer name and logo and is green i guess .
I hate that Logitech feels the need to justify high prices on their 'enthusias' mice by slapping on progressively more useless features. The G303 looks like it has a lot of nice features and none of the "fat" from the higher end G502. I just wish I could get this sensor in a spiritual successor to the MX510/518/G400 shape rather than the crappy one in the G402. G502 has a whole bunch of stupid garbage that just distracts from a good mouse
Wait! This was meant as some sort of review? Big front page image, but I'm confused...seems like a two page product sheet re-statement with a few personal caveats to give the vague appearance of objectivity...Article quota time with the new owners?
Oh..I get it, Mouse Capsule review = Clickbait. Understand.
Maybe for future mouse 'reviews' consider just filing it under 'user opinion' - not that the internet is short on those.
I've been a sole user of Logitech mice for longer than I can remember and I'm very surprised to hear all the comments about poor quality and bad support as I thought Logitech were well respected as a company. Personally, I've never had an issue with their product quality or their support when I've needed it.
One of the reasons I stick with Logitech is from what I can see they are the only company who still offer mice with a left and right button built into the scroll wheel. I would be absolutely lost without these buttons.
I don't actually game and I haven't gamed for years yet I always buy gaming mice because of their quality, functionality and flexibility. I've recently upgraded from a pair of G9X's (home and work) to a pair of G502's and after a longer than expected adjustment period I love the G502. I am a CAD designer and I have profiles on my mice for Windows, Chrome and AutoCAD. I have every button on the mouse doing something and I am so much more productive in AutoCAD with all these buttons than with just a basic mouse so I disagree massively that side buttons as some people have suggested above.
Thanks to this article I went and got a G502 today and love it. Hopefully it will be as durable as my other Logitech stuff some of which is 10 years old and working just fine.
I fully agree. I was using an MX518 for over 3 years now, and it was the best mouse I've ever used overall. In terms of productivity, browsing, office work, and gaming, I feel it is the most well-balanced mouse. However I knew they weren't made anymore, and it's literally impossible to find a new one anywhere. So I did some research, and found out the spiritual successor is the G400s. However it disappeared recently off my country's Logitech page, and a lot of stores in my city stopped carrying it. I'm very old school and generally don't much items online. So I decided before the G400s disappears, to get one. I found one of the few remaining stores in my area that carries it, and got one today. My MX518 is still going strong, but I stored away as a backup, and have switched to the G400s as my main mouse. It's virtually identical to the MX518 in feel, but has a few welcome enhancements. The scroll wheel is slightly stiffer which I like, the surface materials are a bit more grippy overall, and and the sensor feels more accurate and has higher sensitivity. On the highest sensitivity setting, I was able to further decrease the pointer speed versus my MX518 while maintaining similar acceleration and feel, but now with more accuracy. My MX was a tank, and still works perfectly, so hopefully this lasts for many years to come.
I don't like the feel, or styling of most of the high end gimmicky gaming mice. I also don't feel justified paying such high prices. Most importantly, I find virtually all of the gimmicky gaming mice tend to have poor durability, software issues, and have at best, mediocre reliability. The MX518, as long as you take care with the cord, is legendary for its durability. Seeing as the G400s is based on the MX518, then I have high hopes it will earn a similar legendary reputation for durability.
Overall I agree with others that a lot of Logitech products have gone down in quality. However a few rare gems seemingly remain, like the G400s.
I have and use Microsoft Intellimouse Optical 1.1 bought... 15 years ago (ok now I feel old). Not only it survived my intensive gaming period (both Diablos included), university "education sessions" etc., but it still reliably works today. I would be willing to switch only if I found a mouse that fits my hand better or same as this old granny. Which imho should be condition nr.1 for everyone buying a mouse. First find those that are comfortable for your hand and then decide about tech params... since vast majority of today mice will be good enough to work reliably, but seeing and trying all the crazy shapes produced, only few are actually comfortable in hand (especially for longer time periods).
The old family computer we had used an Intellimouse Optical for over 10 years. In fact I think my family may still be using the Intellimouse. Truly a very reliable mouse in terms of the outer shell, and hardware for the most part. The feel of the buttons though, and the optical accuracy left something to be desired. Over the years though the mouse developed more on-screen jitter as well as tracking/acceleration problems.
I fully agree with you on feel and fit. FIt is the #1 priority or condition for myself when getting a mouse (as well as a keyboard). After that it is reliable, consistent performance.
I personally find my MX518, and the G400s I'm now using (both of which use identical mouse bodies) to have a fit that's as good as, if not better than the Intellimouse Optical 1.1.
I have an Intellimouse Optical that I used up until about seven months ago when the back button stopped being reliable and the left button started double-clicking on its own. I replaced it with a Steelseries Sensei (only decent mouse I could find with the same shape) as my work mouse, which I realize is a lot of money to spend on a work mouse. But in reality, I use it even more than my gaming mouse, since I'm at work all day. I wanted something good.
I took the Intellimouse home and disassembled and cleaned it, works fine again. It's my backup mouse. (At home I have a RAT 7.)
Actually it was an "Intellimouse IntelliEye." The one with back and forward buttons on the left and right sides, not the one that only has 3 buttons. Anyway: great mouse. IMO the best mouse ever made.
Just glanced at the Steelseries page. The main mouse buttons have a click durability rating of only half that of my Logitech G400s. It's a great shape to the mouse body, but not sure about long-term durability.
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Samus - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
Finally something competitive from Logitech in a reasonable price range. Razer and SteelSeries have had mice with less advanced sensors offering all these features for less than Logitech, until now. This mouse goes head to head, feature wise, with the SteelSeries Sensei, while being less expensive and having a modern sensor.ddriver - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
Hopefully they improved their build quality and durability. Still disgusted by the G9.silverblue - Sunday, March 8, 2015 - link
Bad luck. Mine is still going after 7 years, though I must admit that I don't game quite as much as I used to.cpupro - Wednesday, March 11, 2015 - link
Logitech mouse quality sucks, some older models from 90's vere great. I have MX1000, battery life sucks, even when was new, I had to replace it with DIY kit, scrolling button is bad. Than I have M500, left button is giving me problems. Very hardly I would ever buy another Logitech mouse.Dark_Archonis - Thursday, March 12, 2015 - link
Again, I think that depends on which model you have, and under what conditions you use it. It could also be luck of the draw. My MX518 is over 3.5 years old, and still performs as if it was new. I recently replaced it with a G400s, simply because I wanted the newer, upgraded, more accurate sensor in the G400s. The MX518 will serve as a backup mouse in case I ever need it. I foresee the G400s lasting a long time.Dark_Archonis - Thursday, March 12, 2015 - link
I forgot to add, I exclusively buy wired mice for the reliability and performance they offer. I was never a fan of wireless mice, and in my experience wireless mice have far more problems than wired mice overall.Wwhat - Sunday, March 15, 2015 - link
I was a bit amazed about that opening statement of the article "enhancing and refining the input peripheral over the years.", because what I see is them releasing a mouse, then releasing a fixed version, rinse and repeat. And as for the functionality and ergonomics, that waxes and wanes all the time.Overall it seems they have a decline over the years.
I hear they are pretty flexible about replacing defective parts though.
Stuka87 - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
Less advanced sensors? This mouse may have a higher DPI, but its just a single sensor. One of the great things about Razer mice is their dual sensor technology. It really does make it far more accurate on just about any surface.Sabresiberian - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
I'll give that it works better on problematic surfaces that other sensors might have trouble getting accurate readings from, but otherwise there is no accuracy benefit to using dual sensors in any case where a person is using a reasonable mousing surface. In fact dual sensors add complication and the need to account for 2 sensors inputting location data over a larger period of time than it takes to read one data point.As far as build quality - I'll take Logitech over Razer for any product across the line.
Sabresiberian - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
After reading a string of posts talking about the lack of quality of the current company Logitech is, I think it is important for me to say that I have moved on from their products. There are better choices, among them Corsair, but I believe Razer isn't one of them, based on to what I have read in recent years about Razer products. My mouse is a Mad Catz design, and while I wouldn't recommend one of their earlier products because they are so dang finicky I have to say the R.A.T. TE is the best mouse I have ever used, and it fits my hand and sense of style.SteelSeries - I have 2 different SteelSeries mousing surfaces and both are superb. Unfortunately they don't make the one I consider to be the best anymore. I have owned 2 of their mice and I would put the quality in the Razer range (or at least what I believe is the Razer range, low to medium quality) and am not likely to buy another SteelSeries mouse.
althaz - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
Serious? Logitech released the G100S which is $30 and has the best sensor of any mouse on the market. Sure it's light-on for features (features include a wheel and both right and left clicking), but in terms of pure mousing, it's the best available (better than their higher-end mice for some reason). It's not amazing quality-wise though (buttons feel a little cheap).Samus - Friday, March 6, 2015 - link
That's the problem though. Logitech is like Samsung. They have very advanced products but they just feel cheap. I haven't tried a G100S but I think it's safe to assume a $30 Logitech mouse is like every other cheap Logitech mouse I've owned...And I know Razer has slipped a lot since the Lycosa keyboard (2011+) but I'd still take a Razer product based on quality alone over an equivilently priced Logitech product. And if Steelseries could get their buggy software squared away, they'd be at the top of my list because I just love their stuff: I have a Sensei Raw and the H headset (the most amazing headphones I've ever had.)
althaz - Friday, March 6, 2015 - link
I love Razer, they are an awesome company...but quality is not one of their strong points. It is, however, one of Logitech's.Logitech's products are WAY higher quality than Razer's. I think you have Razer and Logitech mixed up. Logitech's problem for a long time has been their inferior tech. The G100S is actually very Razer-like in that sense - except that it's cheap enough to just replace when it dies/somebody else brings out a mouse with a sensor that good that's of better quality.
bludragoon - Friday, March 6, 2015 - link
i agree with you, i have everything from gyro inputs to microsoft and razer etc. logitech takes a beating does the job well, just plug it in customize it with it or not. razer er not known for quality at all u beat it and hope you can get a year out of it from everything i read about it. only point i would disagree is razor certainly does not have more advanced anything....it is the form factors and layout alone along with the cool gamer cred they cultivate. i bought razor for the form factor in gaming not that anything else is better. I wish logitech would move more products into razors space.xerandin - Sunday, March 8, 2015 - link
You haven't laid hands on the Note 4, have you? It doesn't feel slightly cheap. Neither does the Samsung Gear 2 (can't speak for Gear S). Neither does my Samsung refrigerator. Or my Samsung TV...Swiper34 - Thursday, January 7, 2016 - link
It is also used by a lot of CS:GO pros:http://csgosetup.on-winning.com
LogitechFan - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
Think twice before purchasing anything from this company. Their ways have changed drastically. Logitech's customer service and warranty is nothing but a joke. Read their forum for other examples. They lie, ignore you and even steal your stuff!http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Community-Feedback/H...
abhaxus - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
I will second this. I have aG600 that logitech will not update the firmware to fix a pretty nasty bug that basically makes it unusable for gaming. The first production run can't be updated by the end user, so you have to send it in. They refused the service for me because I purchased it from Amazon Warehouse Deals, even after I offered to pay shipping in both directions.
I had to make a three hour drive for work while this dispute was going on, so I decided to try to make it as high as I could get through their help desk and ended up getting a direct line to their legal department for the US. Told basically that they didn't care what I wanted to pay, they wouldn't help me. Considering I had Logitech mice and keyboards on 4 PCs in my house, and two Harmony remotes, I was quite surprised. Already switched several devices over to Razer, still waiting on my harmonies to die so I can go to URC.
3ricss - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
Sadly I'm starting to feel the same about Logitech.Purchased the G602 about 7-8 months ago and the middle mouse button stopped working 6 months in. So two weeks ago went and purchased the G700s and now I'm having connectivity issues with the mouse. Definitely some sort of driver conflict going on. I can reinstall the driver and it works fine for about 24 hours than starts freezing and dropping off its connection. This is on a clean OS install as well...
Stuka87 - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
Yeah I switched away from Logitech also, their support is a joke. I have had to RMA my Razer mouse, and it was a very good experience. Tech Support was helpful, and had a new replacement (not a fixed one) at my door 6 days later.TemjinGold - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
Wow good to know. I was seriously considering this mouse but now definitely not.Spoogie - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
Likewise I'm sure.I had a mouse that went tits up, only to be told that since the serial number had worn off (unavoidable since it was in a location that hit the pad), I was screwed. They lost me forever.
kashawks - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
I just returned and am receiving a replacement for a G930 purchased two years ago, free of any fees or shipping charges. While the process has been fairly slow it has not been difficult and Logitech is completely forthcoming in that they have cooperated entirely.Chaser - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
I had a G602 mouse replaced under warranty recently. I sent an email to their support, they sent one back offering common suggestions. I replied that I had already attempted them and that same day a replacement order was made and I had a new mouse at my door in a few days. No joke here. Very professional. Don't buy the isolated hissy fit stories.Spoogie - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
So every bad experience is a hissy fit. Okay.Where's the ignore button, Anandtech?
abhaxus - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
I would love to say mine was a hissy fit. The original communications were all pretty simple, I fully expected to have to pay for shipping both ways (which seems pretty awful considering they know they produced a run of defective mice). I only escalated when they refused even that, and even then because I had a few hours to kill while driving for work. Just shoddy service all around. They designed a mouse with a defect, that couldn't be updated by the end user, and then refused to fix it for a fee. The only satisfaction I got was wasting an hour of a guys time in legal that cost them more than they made on the mouse.If you think that producing defective products then refusing to fix them in a cost neutral fashion is good business, I don't know what to tell you.
toyotabedzrock - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
I bought a notebook mouse for Xmas and the right mouse button is already not working right, it seems to think it is released when it isn't.agentbb007 - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
I've had my Logitech G5 mouse for like 8 years and it is still going strong and I love it.kmmatney - Friday, March 6, 2015 - link
I have this one as well (G5Laser with adjustable weights). However, I can't say it works much better than the Amazon basic mouse that's become my standard for all the other computers in the house. I really don't get the whole gaming mouse thing - maybe I don't play the right sorts of games?chowmeined - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
This has also been my experience with Logitech. I will not be buying products from them. Their support is clueless, their warranty policies are strange (no part replacement? just complete device replacement? Isn't that expensive?), and I've never had anything with a stable driver from them.The last good product I have was the Z-2300 speakers. The flimsy cable got a little loose, they wouldn't replace the dongle part (they don't ever seem to offer part replacement). All they would offer is to replace the entire speaker set with their cheaped out current generation speakers.
I also had the G930 wireless headphones and they were awful. They were constantly disconnecting/reconnecting with the wireless adapter, the drivers were poor with static and distortion issues that were never resolved. Eventually the usb connector failed and I'm left with a paperweight.
I had a logitech web cam (cost $100) once upon a time, it was also plagued with driver problems and they dropped support for it and never made post-XP drivers.
Iketh - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
ironic? support might suck because nobody ever uses it... they make the most durable products, far better than razor... that's coming from a computer programmer that is still using the same keyboard from 5 years ago and have easily passed a million keystrokesAND, I did actually have to use their support last month for first time in 20 years of computing, and they replaced my defective keyboard by just sending me a new one... and it was their backlit $80 keyboard... all I had to do was email them a picture of the broken keyboard and receipt of purchase... I didn't have to ship old keyboard back!
MadMan007 - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
So are you just a spammer on the payroll of another company? You are posting the same exact post and link with the same username on lots of tech sites.Rolphus - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
Love the style of this. It looks like a very decent successor to my old G500.sr1030nx - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
It does look nice to replace a g500 (have one myself) with the exception of not being able to adjust its weight.keitaro - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
I really want to get another Logitech mouse. But I can't. Two factors or reasons:1) I already have a Razer mouse that's fairly new
2) Logitech's software package is overly bloated
Obviously I am not in the market for a new mouse. Even if I was, it's hard for me to look at Logitech now. Logitech's mouse software is just too big and it often interferes with other software. So if you got useful software to help you do things like hardware monitoring, overlay systems, video capturing or broadcasting, somewhere within that mix, Logitech's mouse software will not work for you.
cactusdog - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
Logitech has completely redesigned the software suite for their new high end mice like the G502 and this mouse with the new sensors. The software is completely different and greatly reduced from their usual mouse software. They have new software for their new mechanical keyboard too. I'm a fussy mouse guy, have tried most of the high end mice, the G502 is the best and most consistent mouse I have used. It has eliminated weird acceleration issues and inconsistency that I found with other mice.bludragoon - Friday, March 6, 2015 - link
yeah i have bought logitech for gf and my laptop even though i loved my ergo sets gfrom ms, and had gyro mice and others. all get lots of use years of use no problem with any logi. i sprung for that 502 on sale this this is awesome for me i love unlock scroll with weight spin that sucker or the indicators on side showing each custom dpi profile multi on fly and paddle switch for in game frag the button assign surface cal etc all so easy and work. the razor i just got what garbage at 3 time price and sneaky software that feels like dataminer. probably a real gamer can go crazy with all the buttons (but not too many) and custom on this the wire sheath etc all top class.MamiyaOtaru - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
* complains about bloated mouse software* has a Razer
* is keitaro
Flunk - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
The G-software they've been using for the last little while is really light and the settings actually save to the mouse firmware so you don't even need to run the software all the time.P.S. Razer Synapse is awful, I don't want to be forced to sign up for and then log into an account just to configure my keyboard/mouse. I have a razer BlackWidow and I now get constantly bombarded with the Razer Synapse setup wizard I refuse to install every time Windows seems to decide that I need a driver update. That's right, you don't even need to download the bloatware anymore they're distributing it via Windows Update. Why does a keyboard need a massive bloated control panel anyway?
Sushisamurai - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
Yeah, the software certainly isn't what it use to be - and the product designs and direction logitech is going is disappointing for me. I use to be a huge fan of their offerings, but I've found more and more their products are not as great as they use to be. I was completely disappointed in the mouse-click tolerances for their MX/VX lines, and their discontinuation of their high-end speaker lines (or dilution, however you want to spin that; z-5500 series to be exact).My one question for this mouse that wasn't answered was, does this work on glass, frosted and transparent? Does fluorescent lighting on said glass interfere with the sensor (reflected or nearby)?
JarredWalton - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
I don't have a glass table to try this on, but I did try tracking on a window. Granted, the window wasn't exceptionally clean so it's probably more like frosted glass? Anyway, on a window it was fine. I also tried testing on a mirror however and that didn't work at all.The True Morbus - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
Too goddamn expensive. I'd much rather go for the similarly priced G502.In fact, I did go for a 502 and I couldn't be happier. It's even better than the fantastic G500, which I had before.
Communism - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
Losing the toggleable hyperscroll wheel and the "dedicated" DPI up and DPI down buttons seems like a pretty high price to pay to only save ~10 USD over the Logitech G502 Proteus Core (Assuming they both stay close to MSRP) when both mice are already priced very high.Hopefully this new non-hyperscroll wheel will be long lasting unlike the old style non-hyperscroll wheel that was on most of Logitech mice before they introduced the hyperscroll wheel. That scroll wheel stopped being precise within a year or so and detached fully within 2 or so.
Hopefully they will launch a Logitech G403 with the same sensor that addresses both those issues while keeping a smaller form factor design than the G502 and drive the price of the G303 down another ~10 USD.
Communism - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
Also, I have to state again that you guys should do actual tests on mice since there are definite objective measures for mice that are extremely helpful for delineation between "bling" mice and true precision instruments.As always, I defer to
http://www.esreality.com/?a=longpost&id=126567...
No reviewers have done/are doing real mouse reviews at all since then.
The advertising value of the article would be exponentially increased if you guys replicated (or bettered) that testing regime as you would make an article effectively a reference article for a device that all gamers should care about.
Now that you guys have additional funding from your new owners you should really think about putting something like that into place.
It will seriously both significantly increase your "street cred" and your reputation for excellence in reviewing.
It will likely also shape the mouse industry as a whole to have real objective tests about the things that matter most in a mice.
Should you actually go about doing this I would suggest using a hard surface for the testing surface as soft surfaces are horrible for precision (and precision testing). That means either a piece of anodized aluminum like the Steelseries SX (sadly discontinued long ago) or a sheet of deep anodized aluminum that you purchase from a metal supplier or something. Deep annodized titanium unfortunately wouldn't work so well since the titanium "rust" is fairly translucent. Stainless Steel would probably also not be a good testing surface as it is fairly reflective and would interfere with sensors that cannot deal with that kind of thing.
Please take this comment into consideration :D. Fill the massive gaping hole in this space to increase your market share and value :P
Flunk - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
The reason no one really benchmarks mice is that very few people care. Mice long ago surpassed most people's ability to perceive a difference. Even saying that it would be interesting if they actually did benchmark them. Add some credibility to it.I'm still going to buy the mouse I like the hand feel of, but it might influence some people's buying decisions.
Communism - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
That attitude would have people still using 480i TVs because they are too stupid to know the difference between that and 4k @ 120 hz.People's stupidity is a measure of current stupidity. The point of reviews is to decrease stupidity.
I'm sure you could probably get a sponsorship from logitech or something to do the testing.
Logitech spent big bucks making the excellent optical sensor in the G400 as well as the excellent optical sensor in the G502 and now G303.
They should see return on their investment and deny funding on the "bling" utter trash that is most of the market of mice and has been that way since the beginning of consumer mice sales.
Communism - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
Nice video which details some of the many pitfalls of most "bling" mice on the market.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc7JVjcPzL0
kmmatney - Friday, March 6, 2015 - link
We have several gaming computers at our house - I have a nice logitech "gaming" mouse on mine. Not sure which model, but you can adjust the weight (maybe G500). On a guest gaming computer we have a $7 Amazon basic mouse. There is really no difference at all for gaming - give the amazon basic mouse a decent surface and it performs just as well as my G500. I'm through buying expensive mice. I've never bothered installing any logitech software.3ricss - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
I have to agree with Flunk on this. Back in the day I used to care about capability, but now it is more form over function for me.Zak - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
I like Logitech hardware but their software is awful so I stick to their basic keyboards and mice so I can just use built-in Windows drivers. So this rules out any gaming mice. I do just fine with standard mice, but I am not a competitive gamer or anything.Flunk - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
Their gaming mice actually work just fine even if you don't install the drivers. The adjustable sensitivity (provided the mouse has dedicated buttons for it) even works.sr1030nx - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
Exactly what I've been doing for the last couple years, works just fine.lpoen - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
Can somebody tell me what is the fuss about all these new mice? I use to play Counter Strike to the point of killing my Logitech MX518 which I think is the greatest mouse of all. Admittedly I have not been gaming since 2008 so many things must of happened since then, but back few years ago MX518 was absolutely perfect, are these new mice really an improvement? They have more buttons, aye, but can they do things I could not do in Counter Strike when I used MX518 back 7 years ago? I would like to know your thoughts guys. Many thankscmdrdredd - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
They aren't that special. Many supposed gaming mice have acceleration and prediction you cannot turn off which makes them actually less accurate. I use a Logitech G400 for this reason, it has no acceleration of prediction. It looks generic, only has two buttons on the side, doesn't have any fancy 5000dpi, and is optical but I wouldn't trade it for many of the other options that exist today.TidusZ - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
I've used the very similar G302 Daedalus Prime Moba mouse and it was excellent except for one major problem: Very high lift-off distance. It appears this mouse is similar but has adjustable LOD which would make it my next purchase when my current mouse fails.shaolin95 - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
Kone XTD is still my choice!nikon133 - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
My life... a perfectly symmetrical mouse, but without left-hand thumb buttons. Why..?FlyBri - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
I totally agree @nikon133 -- it seems like it could be an ambidextrous mouse, but yet it isn't. I wish they either put buttons on the other side as well, or have a left-handed version. I really wish us lefties had more top-tier mice to choose from.Le Québécois - Thursday, March 5, 2015 - link
I gave up on Logitech more or less 5-6 years ago when they stopped making high quality ambidextrous mice. Lucky for us, lefties and ambidextrous users, it still possible to find great high end mice. Until a few months ago I used a Razer Lachesis which was amazing and now I'm using a Mionix Avior 7000 which is even better.Having Logitech and Microsoft more or less giving up on the high quality ambidextrous mouse market forced me to go with "unknown" brands, for me at least, and I couldn't be more happy because of this.
althaz - Friday, March 6, 2015 - link
G100S. Logitech, cheap, ambidextrous and awesome. I've got two (one for work, one for home). Replaced my Mamba and Deathadder with them.That said, I don't know I'd label the G100S as high-quality. They are an awesome sensor with a fairly cheap mouse around it.
Le Québécois - Friday, March 6, 2015 - link
I hope I'm not insulting anyone by saying this but to me, mice with no thumb buttons are as outdated in design as were the "single button" Mac mouse of 25 years ago or more recently, mice with no scroll wheel. Sure, you can use them but "life" is so much easier with "modern" mice.The G100S might have a great sensor but the design keeps it from being no more useful than a mouse I'd buy for 5$ in a bargain bin...
althaz - Friday, March 6, 2015 - link
There's nothing I want less on a mouse than side buttons. They are completely useless and just restrict how you can hold the mouse. On larger mice they are fine - they don't get in the way, so why not have them? On smaller mice, if you use a claw grip, they are just about the worst thing a mouse can have.My perfect mouse: button or switch out of the way somewhere for switching the DPI, left and right-click buttons that can be clicked reasonably far back on the mouse, a scroll-wheel with stops that feels nice and a great sensor. The buttons on the G100S feel as cheap as the mouse is, but to me the sensor makes up for it. Other than some refinement in the shape and those buttons, there's not much I'd change when designing a mouse.
Also, how can you have an ambi-dextrous mouse with side buttons? They are guaranteed to be in the way almost no matter what you do.
Le Québécois - Friday, March 6, 2015 - link
I'm going to assume you never used a good ambidextrous mouse with side buttons then. I use the "claw grip" and I never had any problems with accidently pressing one of the side buttons with any of the mice I used; Logitech MX310, Razer Lachesis, Mionix Avior 7000. On the Mionix I currently use, the thumb rest/grip just below the buttons for an easy access yet never pressed by accident. My little finger just hold the mouse on the other side, never touching the buttons.To answer your question more directly, manufacturers wouldn't make high end ambidextrous mice with side buttons if no one was buying/using them.
One of the best known and recognized gaming mouse on the market(for everyone, not just ambidextrous users) is the Steelseries Sensei, an ambidextrous mouse.
bludragoon - Friday, March 6, 2015 - link
i have a razor orbweaver stealth 2015 and a logitech proteus core g502. among many other mice /input devices.the razor experience is poor in every way. they have a software that seems to be spyware just that wants to always be connected to internet, just to remap a key. a lot of people had to uproar about it to even get it to maybe run without internet and they certainly don't document where to shut it off . you have to research it on your own. you ask them why they charge tax and for who razor doesn't answer. i ordered direct a very expensive item and they dont even put the promo stuff they advertised. for a 160 bucks no onboard memory and a big dowload with datamine software. and all reports poor customer servive and never on sale.
logitech runs with or without a quick download, it just works. the mice are beautiful and well designed have onboard memory adjustable and customizable weights even extra pads included. and considered the best sensor out there with low overhead and also can be had on sale cheap. got mine for 59 bucks in store. the g303 looks to be a similar but less extras but more cute lights on the side (if thats your thing)than the core probably will be on sale somewhere for 49 bucks.
razor has one thing going for it it has cool gamer name and logo and is green i guess .
owan - Friday, March 6, 2015 - link
I hate that Logitech feels the need to justify high prices on their 'enthusias' mice by slapping on progressively more useless features. The G303 looks like it has a lot of nice features and none of the "fat" from the higher end G502. I just wish I could get this sensor in a spiritual successor to the MX510/518/G400 shape rather than the crappy one in the G402. G502 has a whole bunch of stupid garbage that just distracts from a good mouseClockHound - Friday, March 6, 2015 - link
Wait! This was meant as some sort of review? Big front page image, but I'm confused...seems like a two page product sheet re-statement with a few personal caveats to give the vague appearance of objectivity...Article quota time with the new owners?Oh..I get it, Mouse Capsule review = Clickbait. Understand.
Maybe for future mouse 'reviews' consider just filing it under 'user opinion' - not that the internet is short on those.
Dark_Archonis - Sunday, March 8, 2015 - link
Indeed. AT has slowly but surely been declining in article quality over the years. How I miss the super-detailed articles of old from Anand.This is laughable as a "review". This doesn't hold a candle to proper mouse reviews and comparisons like the old esreality ones.
Martin84a - Saturday, March 7, 2015 - link
This....this was the review? Why not look at what other sites do, and click registration delayhttp://utmalesoldiers.blogspot.jp/2013/02/114.html
Or find our how much negative, positive acceleration there is, in style of the old Esreality mouse score test.
http://www.esreality.com/?a=longpost&id=126567...
Coup27 - Saturday, March 7, 2015 - link
I've been a sole user of Logitech mice for longer than I can remember and I'm very surprised to hear all the comments about poor quality and bad support as I thought Logitech were well respected as a company. Personally, I've never had an issue with their product quality or their support when I've needed it.One of the reasons I stick with Logitech is from what I can see they are the only company who still offer mice with a left and right button built into the scroll wheel. I would be absolutely lost without these buttons.
I don't actually game and I haven't gamed for years yet I always buy gaming mice because of their quality, functionality and flexibility. I've recently upgraded from a pair of G9X's (home and work) to a pair of G502's and after a longer than expected adjustment period I love the G502. I am a CAD designer and I have profiles on my mice for Windows, Chrome and AutoCAD. I have every button on the mouse doing something and I am so much more productive in AutoCAD with all these buttons than with just a basic mouse so I disagree massively that side buttons as some people have suggested above.
Coup27 - Saturday, March 7, 2015 - link
*that side buttons are useless as some people have suggested above.AT - When will you enable editing of posts? It's a joke made even worse as the box to write your post is only 4 rows wide.
Icehawk - Sunday, March 8, 2015 - link
Thanks to this article I went and got a G502 today and love it. Hopefully it will be as durable as my other Logitech stuff some of which is 10 years old and working just fine.Dark_Archonis - Sunday, March 8, 2015 - link
I fully agree. I was using an MX518 for over 3 years now, and it was the best mouse I've ever used overall. In terms of productivity, browsing, office work, and gaming, I feel it is the most well-balanced mouse. However I knew they weren't made anymore, and it's literally impossible to find a new one anywhere. So I did some research, and found out the spiritual successor is the G400s. However it disappeared recently off my country's Logitech page, and a lot of stores in my city stopped carrying it. I'm very old school and generally don't much items online. So I decided before the G400s disappears, to get one. I found one of the few remaining stores in my area that carries it, and got one today. My MX518 is still going strong, but I stored away as a backup, and have switched to the G400s as my main mouse. It's virtually identical to the MX518 in feel, but has a few welcome enhancements. The scroll wheel is slightly stiffer which I like, the surface materials are a bit more grippy overall, and and the sensor feels more accurate and has higher sensitivity. On the highest sensitivity setting, I was able to further decrease the pointer speed versus my MX518 while maintaining similar acceleration and feel, but now with more accuracy. My MX was a tank, and still works perfectly, so hopefully this lasts for many years to come.I don't like the feel, or styling of most of the high end gimmicky gaming mice. I also don't feel justified paying such high prices. Most importantly, I find virtually all of the gimmicky gaming mice tend to have poor durability, software issues, and have at best, mediocre reliability. The MX518, as long as you take care with the cord, is legendary for its durability. Seeing as the G400s is based on the MX518, then I have high hopes it will earn a similar legendary reputation for durability.
Overall I agree with others that a lot of Logitech products have gone down in quality. However a few rare gems seemingly remain, like the G400s.
HollyDOL - Monday, March 9, 2015 - link
I have and use Microsoft Intellimouse Optical 1.1 bought... 15 years ago (ok now I feel old). Not only it survived my intensive gaming period (both Diablos included), university "education sessions" etc., but it still reliably works today. I would be willing to switch only if I found a mouse that fits my hand better or same as this old granny.Which imho should be condition nr.1 for everyone buying a mouse. First find those that are comfortable for your hand and then decide about tech params... since vast majority of today mice will be good enough to work reliably, but seeing and trying all the crazy shapes produced, only few are actually comfortable in hand (especially for longer time periods).
Dark_Archonis - Thursday, March 12, 2015 - link
The old family computer we had used an Intellimouse Optical for over 10 years. In fact I think my family may still be using the Intellimouse. Truly a very reliable mouse in terms of the outer shell, and hardware for the most part. The feel of the buttons though, and the optical accuracy left something to be desired. Over the years though the mouse developed more on-screen jitter as well as tracking/acceleration problems.I fully agree with you on feel and fit. FIt is the #1 priority or condition for myself when getting a mouse (as well as a keyboard). After that it is reliable, consistent performance.
I personally find my MX518, and the G400s I'm now using (both of which use identical mouse bodies) to have a fit that's as good as, if not better than the Intellimouse Optical 1.1.
Dorek - Tuesday, March 17, 2015 - link
I have an Intellimouse Optical that I used up until about seven months ago when the back button stopped being reliable and the left button started double-clicking on its own. I replaced it with a Steelseries Sensei (only decent mouse I could find with the same shape) as my work mouse, which I realize is a lot of money to spend on a work mouse. But in reality, I use it even more than my gaming mouse, since I'm at work all day. I wanted something good.I took the Intellimouse home and disassembled and cleaned it, works fine again. It's my backup mouse. (At home I have a RAT 7.)
Dorek - Tuesday, March 17, 2015 - link
Actually it was an "Intellimouse IntelliEye." The one with back and forward buttons on the left and right sides, not the one that only has 3 buttons. Anyway: great mouse. IMO the best mouse ever made.Dark_Archonis - Wednesday, March 18, 2015 - link
Just glanced at the Steelseries page. The main mouse buttons have a click durability rating of only half that of my Logitech G400s. It's a great shape to the mouse body, but not sure about long-term durability.