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  • Eldercat1 - Wednesday, December 26, 2018 - link

    Typo, Page 2 under "The Incredible Shrinking Polaris," 4th paragraph:
    "the RX 580 is serving as a spoiler to the RX 580."
  • Ryan Smith - Wednesday, December 26, 2018 - link

    Thanks!
  • MonkeyPaw - Wednesday, December 26, 2018 - link

    I picked up a used Nitro+ RX 480 8GB for cheap thanks to the big bust. I figured used was worth the risk, as I could almost buy 2 for about the same price as a new 580.
  • isthisavailable - Thursday, December 27, 2018 - link

    Where did you buy it from?
  • MonkeyPaw - Thursday, December 27, 2018 - link

    eBay. It’s my second used GPU purchase. My first was a 7870, which eventually I was able to resell for more than I originally paid for it, thanks to the mining boom. Like with anything eBay, you have to pick the right buyers.
  • piiman - Saturday, January 5, 2019 - link

    I also sold and old card for about 400 more than I paid for it. So it wasn't all bad :)
  • wr3zzz - Wednesday, December 26, 2018 - link

    Sounds like GDDR6 is going to kill off HBM's chance for mainstream usage i.e. dGPU like DDR with Rambus.
  • Tech-fan - Thursday, December 27, 2018 - link

    That is not true, HBM is way stronger. GDDR6 is not that much cheaper, and has lower bandwith. Vega is not the proper Arch to show off what HBM is up to.
  • TheinsanegamerN - Monday, December 31, 2018 - link

    "way stronger"? What does that even mean?

    What would you consider the "proper arch", given that GCN is much more memory hungry then pascal is?
  • Gastec - Tuesday, February 12, 2019 - link

    "Merch", "Arch", YouTube generation talk.
  • Znaak - Thursday, December 27, 2018 - link

    I got to play around with Battlefield V on a 2080Ti this christmas. 1440p screen just like I have at home. And while it certainly had the looks when I stood around admiring the scenery I didn;t even notice the improvement when the action was on.

    So for my own 1440p system I will keep my trusty 1080Ti which delivers plenty of FPS. I can't justify spending € 1500 for an almost unnoticable increase in rendering quality and a slight drop n framerates. (Or the same rendering quality with an increase in framerate to above what my monitor can handdle anyway).

    What I really want is for AMD to release navi with double precission compute at 1:2 or even 1:8 would make me happy. The game performance of the current generation is more than sufficient for me and I won't be gaming at 4k anyway, it really makes no sense in action games. Double precission compute performance otoh will make the professional in me very happy.
  • ToTTenTranz - Thursday, December 27, 2018 - link

    If rumors of a consumer version of Vega 20 come true, you may get a high-end card with DP (Vega2 Frontier Edition?) much sooner than when Navi hits the shelves.
  • HollyDOL - Thursday, December 27, 2018 - link

    To be completely frank any visual quality in last paced games is kind of wasted, you won't notice it or focus on it while sprinting around and given the scene complexity you'd perform best if the graphics was old school vector without textures.
    Otoh slower paced games will be able to get alot of improvement.
    Either way with RT we should be able to gradually increase visual quality with less complex code, I keep fingers crossed for RT. We've been waiting way too long for realistic model patching the thing in the meantime with more and more obscure workarounds.
  • Tech-fan - Thursday, December 27, 2018 - link

    How did it feel to be milked by NVIDIA?
    Did you fell for the "Just Buy" out of Ryans keyboard? 😉🤣
  • Znaak - Friday, December 28, 2018 - link

    Maybe you should reread my post, because you look silly now ;)

    I built a gaming PC for a friend over christmas. He doesn't feel comfortable building it himself and mainly listened to my advise on components, except for the GPU. Which gave me the chance to experience what most reviewers have experienced. That feeling of being underwhelmed by the new nVidia cards.
  • Gastec - Tuesday, February 12, 2019 - link

    "Building" computers with the likes of 1080Ti followed by 2080Ti. These are people who upgrade to the lastest and greatests each generation and they are obviously wealthy. It's pointless to mock rich people.
  • FreckledTrout - Thursday, December 27, 2018 - link

    My old GTX 1070 plays BFV on ultra at 1440p at 65 FPS on average. Works perfectly for me.
  • Znaak - Friday, December 28, 2018 - link

    Exactly, with a 1080Ti it rarely even drops under 75fps 1440p Ultra settings, which is great because my monitor has a 75Hz refresh rate.
  • piiman - Sunday, December 30, 2018 - link

    But you get no Rayz
  • piiman - Sunday, December 30, 2018 - link

    " I didn;t even notice the improvement when the action was on."
    This is true for any level of detail, in most cases once the action starts you aren't staring at the scenery anyways. lol Frankly even low settings are pretty damn good these days.
  • mapesdhs - Wednesday, January 2, 2019 - link

    But... but... the reflection of fire in the enemy's eyeballs!! I mean, it just works! ;D
  • piiman - Saturday, January 5, 2019 - link

    " I didn;t even notice the improvement when the action was on."

    This is true for many graphic options in fast paced games. I don't think a fast paced shooters is the best use for RTX in a game anyways.
  • ToTTenTranz - Thursday, December 27, 2018 - link

    No mention of Kaby Lake G's unprecedented partnership between AMD and Intel to make an integrated solution with a mid-end GPU?
    Nor the Vega Mobile shipping right now in the Macbook Pro?

    Those are all 2018. It wasn't that much of a "slow" year for RTG.
  • Tech-fan - Thursday, December 27, 2018 - link

    Epyc, Ryan Smith saying "Just buy", he meant the RTX series. He showed that he was the first "Tech journalist" that signed the NVIDIA NDA contract, he lost all respect in the tech community. And should be very ashamed about what he said.

    It goes without saying that he will delete this comment, and banning me.
  • Ryan Smith - Thursday, December 27, 2018 - link

    "Ryan Smith saying "Just buy", he meant the RTX series."

    Beg your pardon? I think you have us confused with another tech site...
  • HollyDOL - Thursday, December 27, 2018 - link

    It's smelly, it's hairy and it used to take tolls on bridges. What is it?
  • Znaak - Friday, December 28, 2018 - link

    A public servant?
  • HollyDOL - Saturday, December 29, 2018 - link

    Um, close but not on spot... I'll add a hint (quote from wiki):
    antisocial, quarrelsome and slow-witted creatures which make life difficult for travellers
  • KraZy183 - Thursday, January 3, 2019 - link

    Can you please (T)roll more hints? still cant figure out!!
  • KraZy183 - Thursday, January 3, 2019 - link

    Last person on this earth to say / type "Just Buy it" is Ryan, he know what actual Gamer or PC enthusiastic wants...he never backed or tried to justify insane Green team asking price for RTX cards though he advocates progress in tech.. but not money plundering in the name of innovation and early adoption!!
  • PeachNCream - Friday, December 28, 2018 - link

    I can sum up 2018's GPUs more quickly. Higher TDPs and higher prices justified by pointless additional features competing with last gen rebrands and spreadsheet only iGPUs.
  • pavag - Saturday, December 29, 2018 - link

    I will not buy the stocked nvidia cards because they are obsolete. And will not buy the newer models because they don’t have the performance needed for raytracing.

    Also, this was a bad year for new games, and I buy cards when I desire to pay new games at his best.
  • StormyParis - Sunday, December 30, 2018 - link

    Interesting, Thank you.

    As I got older, my interest in the minutiae of tech, and in games, has waned. Those recap articles, and your occasional deep dive into very new stuff, keep me kinda of up to speed on the tech, so I don't feel as obsolete as my gear and games.

    So, Thanks ;-p
  • Kevin G - Monday, December 31, 2018 - link

    While I cannot discount the possibility of a mid cycle GPU refresh from nVidia to take advantage of 7 nm, I would consider it unlikely. The dies of the TU106, TU104 and TU102 are all massive. Even with a shink, the TU102 is still going to be big. I don't think any fab is ready to tackle such a large die at the volumes nVidia wants on a cutting edge process. If they could, it would have made sense to skip those Turing chips because they are so large to begin with, nVidia was maintaining the performance crown with the existing 1080Ti and they had excess inventory in the channel. While the supply of Pascal cards has finally tried up with the holiday season (and high RTX pricing), they still maintain a performance dominance that will likely remain until Navi arrives. I think for 2020 that that is a given but enough time will have passed we'll be looking at a new architecture from nVidia anyway.

    While not Xe, we will likely see Gen 11 graphics when consumer Ice Lake arrives at the end of 2019. It'll be progress there and finally move Intel to DP 1.3/1.4 and support variable rate refresh. So while the performance will be lackluster, the display technology side will pick up.

    Speaking of display technologies, I'm wondering when the first HDMI 2.1 capable GPUs arrive. I expect the first HDMI 2.1 enabled displays to be announced (though not shipping) in a few weeks at CES.
  • mapesdhs - Wednesday, January 2, 2019 - link

    Completely off-topic, but anyone noticed that, "With that said...", or, "With that being said...", have become extremely popular phrases used in YT videos & articles these days? :D

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