With AMD's Zen being a performance bonanza for professional tasks, it's going to be very interesting to see what happens to Intel's margins on these ultra high-end parts.
First, I want to see this ZEN :) (but not buldozzer 2 or 3 or ...) Intel has superiority core2core and in cores count per die - fact! And now, what is the reason to have so many cores in case of amd, without an enough throughput capability? Have a nice zen dreams :)
Outside of the clear upgrade path provided by the X299 motherboard, what's the real advantage of getting a Kaby Lake-X CPU when Coffee Lake is only months away?
Is Coffee lake really only a few months away? Is there any news about where it will fit in the product stack? Ideally I'm looking for something like a 7700K with the usual marginal 10-15% performance improvement. I don't really need this HEDT platform... my 2600K is a little long in the tooth, though.
"Outside of the clear upgrade path provided by the XXXX motherboard, what's the real advantage of getting a XXXXXX CPU when XXXXXX is only months away?"
Doesn't this get mentioned every time a new CPU range comes out? Why do folks still bother mentioning this? It's life.
When that releases it will only be for mainstream, possibly only mobile at first. HEDT lags behind mainstream quite a bit, the higher core count CPUs they just announced are based on 6th-gen cores.
Except that Kaby Lake doesn't have any new features that really gain performance, whereas Skylake-X has 4 times larger L2 cache per core, so Skylake-X might actually have higher IPC than Kaby Lake.
Little is known about Coffee Lake afaik. Might not be a huge difference from Kaby Lake except coming out with a 6-core part and GPU increases?
die shrinks do not necessarily mean more OC headroom. As transistors get smaller, they can take less voltage, and heat up faster. Traditionally shrinking transistors lowered the required switching voltage to overcome this, but for the last few generations the tables have been turning.
So true. Just checked ark.intel.com for ECC support of these rebranded Xeon processors ...and of course it's not there. Good thing AMD hasn't that problem.
So, make sure your motherboard is supporting it in an "ECC function is officially supported" fashion, and not just "ECC memory will physically run on this board".
That's why I said AMD doesn't have this problem. While Intel artificially limits the use of ECC memory on even the most insanely priced Core processor (in effect a rebadged Xeon) AMD does no such thing. True, they say it isn't validated, but it's certainly not disabled.
Agreed. This is such a silly shitshow, and reeks of top-down stupidity.
The Skylake-X CPUs look good, but trust Intel to find a way to shoot themselves in the foot. It's not like the motherboard manufacturer's are going to do all this additional design and work without it effecting their margin, so the platform now just got that much more expensive. Thanks Intel!
Let's hope the motherboard manufacturers do as is suggested in this article and clearly differentiate the products. As for the PCH functionality, they should cease with this nonsense already. Support for upto 3 PCIe m2 drives. Bullshit. 3 m2 drives of reasonable quality -- hell maybe even intel drives 600, in raid 0 will saturate the DMI LINK easily. Result -- a stuttering system and annoyed users.
Note to editor Please, when you print reviews tell us where the m2 and 10 GbE and thunderbolt port is hanging of the cpu or pch
Ugh. I was hoping Intel would have dropped the Kaby Lake-X chips and just aimed high with core counts. Having only 16 of the 44 possible lanes from the socket is painful for IO and adds an unnecessary layer of complexity to motherboard designs. It is bad enough that Intel nerfs the lowend to 28 lanes on socket 2011-3.
It is Intel on the PCI-SIG who holds them back to begin with. The standard was supposed to be released months ago. But Intel does not have a product to announce.
If intel can incorporate thunderbolt natively into these CPUs then I guess it's k.o for AMD at least coming from content creators which the Intel brand loyalty is pretty high.
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hallstein - Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - link
With AMD's Zen being a performance bonanza for professional tasks, it's going to be very interesting to see what happens to Intel's margins on these ultra high-end parts.TC2 - Sunday, June 4, 2017 - link
First, I want to see this ZEN :)(but not buldozzer 2 or 3 or ...)
Intel has superiority core2core and in cores count per die - fact!
And now, what is the reason to have so many cores in case of amd, without an enough throughput capability?
Have a nice zen dreams :)
WinterCharm - Tuesday, June 13, 2017 - link
AMD's thread ripper is already pulling ahead in bechmarks. AMD has better scaling, and lower power, and better efficiency.Ryzen 7 CPU is better than any of Intel's shit. It's a wonderful time to be alive. Intel is going to lose marketshare. Enjoy your shintel delusions.
GraXXoR - Tuesday, July 4, 2017 - link
Shintel? That's the best you could do?christophermx4 - Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - link
Outside of the clear upgrade path provided by the X299 motherboard, what's the real advantage of getting a Kaby Lake-X CPU when Coffee Lake is only months away?Oxygen12 - Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - link
Is Coffee lake really only a few months away? Is there any news about where it will fit in the product stack? Ideally I'm looking for something like a 7700K with the usual marginal 10-15% performance improvement. I don't really need this HEDT platform... my 2600K is a little long in the tooth, though.jabber - Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - link
"Outside of the clear upgrade path provided by the XXXX motherboard, what's the real advantage of getting a XXXXXX CPU when XXXXXX is only months away?"Doesn't this get mentioned every time a new CPU range comes out? Why do folks still bother mentioning this? It's life.
peterfares - Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - link
When that releases it will only be for mainstream, possibly only mobile at first. HEDT lags behind mainstream quite a bit, the higher core count CPUs they just announced are based on 6th-gen cores.drgigolo - Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - link
Except that Kaby Lake doesn't have any new features that really gain performance, whereas Skylake-X has 4 times larger L2 cache per core, so Skylake-X might actually have higher IPC than Kaby Lake.Little is known about Coffee Lake afaik. Might not be a huge difference from Kaby Lake except coming out with a 6-core part and GPU increases?
naxeem - Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - link
CL is going to be 10nm, that alone will give a lot of room for overclocking...edzieba - Wednesday, May 31, 2017 - link
die shrinks do not necessarily mean more OC headroom. As transistors get smaller, they can take less voltage, and heat up faster. Traditionally shrinking transistors lowered the required switching voltage to overcome this, but for the last few generations the tables have been turning.Santoval - Thursday, June 1, 2017 - link
I think you confused the CLs. Coffee Lake will still be based on 14nm. Cannon Lake is the 10nm design.duploxxx - Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - link
And the Intel mess continues after years of domination.Carving up features and functionality based on CPU price. *****INTEL*****
azrael- - Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - link
So true. Just checked ark.intel.com for ECC support of these rebranded Xeon processors ...and of course it's not there. Good thing AMD hasn't that problem.0x90 - Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - link
"ECC is not disabled. It works, but not validated for our consumer client platform."https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5x4hxu/we_ar...
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canu...
So, make sure your motherboard is supporting it in an "ECC function is officially supported" fashion, and not just "ECC memory will physically run on this board".
azrael- - Wednesday, May 31, 2017 - link
That's why I said AMD doesn't have this problem. While Intel artificially limits the use of ECC memory on even the most insanely priced Core processor (in effect a rebadged Xeon) AMD does no such thing. True, they say it isn't validated, but it's certainly not disabled.Gothmoth - Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - link
nobody in his right mind buys kaby lake-x for x299 anyway... its a stillborn.Gothmoth - Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - link
ok nobody is maybe not right.. some extrem OC´er sure will. but that´s just nonsense.so lets say ....next to nobody who uses x299 for work will.
someone mentioned real time traders who want the highest per core performance.
but to be honest even for them there are better solutions.
duploxxx - Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - link
its mainly US driven.... bigger = better :)overseer - Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - link
Second to that. KBL-X makes no sense for anyone except maybe OCers.Maleorderbride - Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - link
Agreed. This is such a silly shitshow, and reeks of top-down stupidity.The Skylake-X CPUs look good, but trust Intel to find a way to shoot themselves in the foot. It's not like the motherboard manufacturer's are going to do all this additional design and work without it effecting their margin, so the platform now just got that much more expensive. Thanks Intel!
drajitshnew - Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - link
Let's hope the motherboard manufacturers do as is suggested in this article and clearly differentiate the products.As for the PCH functionality, they should cease with this nonsense already. Support for upto 3 PCIe m2 drives. Bullshit. 3 m2 drives of reasonable quality -- hell maybe even intel drives 600, in raid 0 will saturate the DMI LINK easily. Result -- a stuttering system and annoyed users.
Note to editor
Please, when you print reviews tell us where the m2 and 10 GbE and thunderbolt port is hanging of the cpu or pch
Kevin G - Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - link
Ugh. I was hoping Intel would have dropped the Kaby Lake-X chips and just aimed high with core counts. Having only 16 of the 44 possible lanes from the socket is painful for IO and adds an unnecessary layer of complexity to motherboard designs. It is bad enough that Intel nerfs the lowend to 28 lanes on socket 2011-3.Dahak - Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - link
not that it matters to me, as I dont usually get these systems but1 --- no usb3.1 native?
2 -- kaby lake-x .... seems an odd part to make, and as stated in the article, adds much confusion to the line up
peevee - Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - link
So, new platform, available 2017H2 - where the hell is PCIe 4.0?danjw - Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - link
Last I knew the spec was still pending from the standards body.peevee - Wednesday, May 31, 2017 - link
It is Intel on the PCI-SIG who holds them back to begin with. The standard was supposed to be released months ago. But Intel does not have a product to announce.nevcairiel - Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - link
PCIe 4.0 is not finished yet. Can't make products using something that doesn't exist yet. :)JustCalMeDBoss - Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - link
If intel can incorporate thunderbolt natively into these CPUs then I guess it's k.o for AMD at least coming from content creators which the Intel brand loyalty is pretty high.Spunjji - Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - link
Buuuut they didn't. Whoops.zodiacfml - Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - link
what a mess, unless you just need a lot of CPU cores.willis936 - Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - link
I'm surprised they would even bother including a slide on "overclocking" rather than a slide on the importance of thermal safety.naxeem - Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - link
With no-soldering tactics and same 14nm process, I seriously doubt any records will be broken without deliding...lizanosi - Wednesday, May 31, 2017 - link
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akula2 - Wednesday, May 31, 2017 - link
Basin Falls should be renamed as Intel Falls.Goodbye Intel!
Morawka - Friday, June 2, 2017 - link
What does everyone think about having to buy a $1000 CPU just to get 44 lanes? Broadwell had a $550 CPU that did 44 lanes.Morawka - Friday, June 2, 2017 - link
DMI on a X series chipset? i thought we got QPI?jabber - Monday, June 5, 2017 - link
It's a hot mess!