Test Bed and Setup: Moving Towards 2024

As per our processor testing policy, we take a premium category motherboard suitable for the socket, and equip the system with a suitable amount of memory running at the manufacturer's highest officially-supported frequency. This is also typically run at JEDEC subtimings where possible. It is noted that some users are not keen on this policy, stating that sometimes the highest official frequency is quite low, or faster memory is available at a similar price, or that the JEDEC speeds can be prohibitive for performance.

While these comments make sense, ultimately very few users apply memory profiles (either XMP or other) as they require interaction with the BIOS, and most users will fall back on JEDEC-supported speeds - this includes home users as well as industry who might want to shave off a cent or two from the cost or stay within the margins set by the manufacturer. Where possible, we will extend out testing to include faster memory modules either at the same time as the review or a later date.

The Current CPU Test Suite

For our AMD Ryzen 8000G series testing, including the Ryzen 7 8700G and Ryzen 5 8600G, we are using the following test system. We have also included our test system of AMD's Ryzen 7 5700G and Ryzen 5 5600 too:

  AMD Ryzen 8000G AMD Ryzen 5000G 
CPU Ryzen 7 8700G ($329)
8 Cores, 16 Threads
65 W TDP

Ryzen 5 8600G ($229)
6 Cores, 12 Threads
65 W TDP
AMD Ryzen 7 5700G ($359)
8 Cores, 16 Threads
65 W TDP

Ryzen 5 5600G ($259)
6 Cores, 12 Threads
65 W TDP
Motherboard ASUS ROG Strix B650-A Gaming WIFI ASUS ROG Strix X570-E Gaming
Memory G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo
2x16 GB
DDR5-5200 CL44
G.Skill Trident Z
2x16 GB
DDR4-3200 CL22
Cooling MSI MAG Coreliquid E360 360mm AIO MSI MAG Coreliquid E360 360mm AIO
Storage SK Hynix Platinum P41 2TB PCIe 4.0 x4 SK Hynix Platinum P41 2TB PCIe 4.0 x4
Power Supply MSI A1000G 1000W MSI A1000G 1000W
GPUs AMD Radeon RX 6950 XT, 31.0.12019 AMD Radeon RX 6950 XT, 31.0.12019
Operating Systems Windows 11 22H2 Windows 11 22H2

Our CPU 2024 Suite: What to Expect

We recently updated the CPU test suite to our 2023, but we've decided to update it again as we head into 2024. Our new suite has a more diverse selection of tests and benchmarks, focusing on real-world instruction sets and newer encoding and decoding libraries such as AV1, VP9, and HVEC. We have also included a range of AI-focused workloads and benchmarks, as we're seeing a direct shift from manufacturers to incorporate some form of on-chip AI processing, such as Ryzen AI and Intel's Meteor Lake AI NPU.

While we've kept some of the more popular ones, such as CineBench R23, we've added Maxon's latest CineBench 2024 benchmark to our test suite. We have also updated to the latest versions (at the time of incorporating the suite) in benchmarks such as Blender, V-Ray, and y-Cruncher.

With our processor reviews, especially on a new generational product such as Intel's Core i9-13900K/14900K, we also include SPEC2017 data to account for any increases (or decreases) to generational single-threaded and multi-threaded performance. It should be noted that per the terms of the SPEC license because our benchmark results are not vetted directly by the SPEC consortium, it is officially classified as an ‘estimated’ score.

We've also carried over some older (but still relevant/enlightening) benchmarks from our CPU 2023 suite. This includes benchmarks such as Dwarf Fortress, Factorio, Dr. Ian Cutress's 3DPMv2 benchmark, Blender 3.3, C-Ray 1.1 rendering, SciMark 2.0, and Primesieve 1.9.0. We've also kept UL's Procyon suite as a more holisitc system-wide test.

As for gaming, we're currently still revamping our CPU 2024 games suite, and as a result, we've tested gaming against our CPU 2023 suite. You can rest assured that our CPU 2024 games suite will be uploaded to the latest titles and will include even more technical aspects in play, such as Ray-Tracing, as this directly impacts CPU performance and frame rates. We will also include a similar methodology in terms of resolutions, including 720p/lower, 1080p, 1440p, and 4K.

The CPU-focused tests featured specifically in this review are as follows:

Power

  • Peak Power (y-Cruncher using AVX)
  • Power analysis with CineBench R23 MT + F1 2022 @ 1080p/High Preset

Productivity & Web

  • UL Procyon Office: Various office-based tasks using various Microsoft Office applications
  • UL Procyon Video Editing: Scores video editing performance on various parameters using Adobe Premiere software
  • LibreOffice: Time taken to convert 20 documents to PDF
  • JetStream 2.1 Benchmark: Measures various levels of web performance within a browser (we use the latest available Chrome)
  • Timed Linux Kernel Compilation: How long it takes to compile a Linux build with the standard settings
  • Timed PHP Compilation: How long does it take to compile PHP
  • MariaDB: A MySQL database benchmark using mysqlslap

Encoding

  • WebP2 Image Encode: Encoding benchmark using the WebP2 format
  • SVT AV1 Encoding: Encoding using AV1 at both 1080p and 4K, at different settings
  • Dav1D AV1 Benchmark: A simple AV1 based benchmark
  • SVT-HEVC Encoding: Same as SVT AV1, but with HEVC, at both 1080p and 4K
  • SVT-VP9 Encoding: Same as other SVT benchmarks, but using VP9, both at 1080p and 4K
  • FFmpeg 6.0 Benchmark: Benchmarking with x264 and x265 using a live scenario
  • FLAC Audio Encoding: Benchmarking audio encoding from WAV to FLAC
  • 7-Zip: A fabled benchmark we've used before, but updated to the latest version

Rendering

  • Blender 3.6: Popular rendering program
  • CineBench R23: The fabled Cinema4D Rendering engine
  • CineBench 2024: The latest Cinema4D Rendering engine
  • V-Ray: Another popular renderer
  • POV-Ray: A persistence of ray-tracing benchmark

Science & Simulation

  • y-Cruncher 0.8.2.9523: Calculating Pi to 5M digits, both ST and MT
  • 3D Particle Movement v2.1 (Non-AVX + AVX2/AVX512)
  • Primesieve 1.9.0: This test generates prime numbers using an optimized sieve of Eratosthenes implementation
  • Montage Astro Image Mosaic Engine: Benchmarking of an open-sourced mosaic engine via California Institute of Technology
  • OpenFOAM: A Computational Fluid Dynamics (CFD) benchmark using drivaerFastback test case to analyze automotive aerodynamics.
  • Dwarf Fortress 0.44.12: Fantasy world creation and time passage
  • Factorio v1.1.26 Test: A game-based benchmark that is largely consistent for measuring overall CPU and memory performance
  • 3D Mark CPU Profile: Benchmark testing just the CPU with multiple levels of thread usage

AI and Inferencing

  • ONNX Runtime: A Microsoft developed open source machine learning and inferencing accelerator
  • DeepSpeech: A Mozilla based speech-to-text engine benchmark powered by TensorFlow
  • TensorFlow 2.12: A TensorFlow benchmark using the deep learning framework
  • UL Procyon Windows AI Inference: A benchmark by UL measuring total inference counts across multiple libraries

We are currently using our games from our CPU 2023 suite. Our current games in our CPU testing and those featured in this review are as follows:

  • Civilization VI: 480p, 1080p, 1440p and 4K (both avg and 95% percentile)
  • World of Tanks: 768p, 1080p, and 4K (both avg and 95% percentile)
  • Borderlands 3: 360p, 1080p, 1440p, and 4K (both avg and 95th percentile)
  • Red Dead Redemption 2: 384p, 1080p, 1440p, and 4K (both avg and 95th percentile)
  • F1 2022: 720p, 1080p, 1440p, and 4K (both avg and 95th percentile)
  • Hitman 3: 720p, 1080p, 1440p, and 4K (both avg and 95th percentile)
  • Total War Warhammer 3: 720p, 1080p, 1440p and 4K (only avg fps measured)

As we have mentioned, we are updating our CPU 2024 suite with new games and the latest titles, and this will come before the next CPU review we publish.

While we normally analyze Core-to-Core latency on new CPUs, the fact that Intel's 14th and 13th Gen are identical architecturally, we opted to omit this from our testing.

AMD Ryzen 7 8700G and Ryzen 5 8600G Review: Zen 4 APUs with RDNA3 Graphics Core-to-Core Latency
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  • ToTTenTranz - Monday, January 29, 2024 - link

    It might be worth mentioning the 8700G's larger iGPU gains almost 25% performance when paired with DDR5-6000 instead of the slower DDR5-5200:

    https://www.techspot.com/review/2796-amd-ryzen-870...

    I don't know what advantages there are for DIY clients to hold on to JEDEC-approved speeds instead of just going with XMP and EXPO "pre-validated 1-click overclocks". Especially considering how it's only called "overclock" because JEDEC seems to take their sweet time to validate new clock/timing setups.
  • Slash3 - Monday, January 29, 2024 - link

    The gap is likely even larger than that, as I believe HWU's 5200MT entry is still using faster XMP/Expo timings, rather than CL44 base spec. Steve simply scaled the speed for the other entries (the exception being 7200MT, which is also at Gear 2).
  • meacupla - Monday, January 29, 2024 - link

    The DDR5 RAM has to run at 1.1V to get JEDEC validation. It's not that JEDEC takes their sweet time, it is about DRAM makers not being able to produce fast DRAM.
    This is especially true when you want low latency.

    AFAIK, the fastest JEDEC compliant DDR5 available is 6400, but with awful latency.

    More so, I am surprised techspot got their chip to work at DDR5-7200. I didn't think it was possible to hit more than 6000 with any stability on the AM5 platform.
  • Slash3 - Monday, January 29, 2024 - link

    Recent AGESA updates have made Gear 2 speeds in the 7200-8000MT range quite possible, but improvement over Gear 1 6000MT operation is fairly small due to the I/O die fabric speed being a limiting factor.

    These APUs are monolithic, though, so higher FCLK and MCLK/UCLK speeds are likely possible. Hopefully some reviewers and users will have time to dig into it now that the chips are officially out. I suspect we'll see some people running 6600MT in Gear 1 or 8000MT+ in Gear 2.
  • nandnandnand - Tuesday, January 30, 2024 - link

    These APUs are bandwidth starved when it comes to iGPU performance. This review is already an outlier for using DDR5-5200, although pairing more expensive memory with 8700G/8600G doesn't make it a better choice than a CPU+discrete combo for budget users.
  • FWhitTrampoline - Tuesday, January 30, 2024 - link

    The main reason that the FCLK can get to higher rates/better FCLK:MCLK/UCLK ratios and with the proper stability on the Ryzen 8000G series APUs is because the Memory Controllers are on the same monolithic slab of silicon as the CPU cores. So there's no Cross-Module(Die to Die)/cross-clock-domain SerDes hops required there on Monolothic APUs to slow things down there. So the path from the Infinity fabric to the Memory Controllers on any Monolithic APU die based design is simpler there for APUs.
  • thestryker - Monday, January 29, 2024 - link

    JEDEC did something odd with DDR5 in that there are multiple sets of compliant latency and every maker has gone with the middle set. The lowest set is identical to DDR3/4 JEDEC compliant memory with the middle being about 14% higher. Still worse than XMP/EXPO kits as those just throw voltage through to lower latency.

    I'm hoping that with the 8500 DRAM Micron mentioned in a press release means maybe there will be some lower latency parts I can get for my server box.
  • is4u2p - Wednesday, January 31, 2024 - link

    The legion Go runs 7500 RAM with the Z1 Extreme.
  • is4u2p - Wednesday, January 31, 2024 - link

    Yep, they peak around DDR5-6400 speeds, which is why you're seeing all these handhelds with 6500 or higher.
  • barich - Wednesday, January 31, 2024 - link

    DIY clients, sure. But these are going to end up in a lot of Dells and HPs, probably more by far than people who build their own. It's good to have representative benchmarks of that sort of configuration, and they'll definitely only ship JEDEC-specced RAM.

    Personally, I actually used Crucial's JEDEC DDR5-5600 in my 13th gen Intel build because stability is of paramount importance to me and anything higher is technically overclocking. Intel doesn't guarantee that any given CPU's memory controller will function properly faster than that. They pretty much all do, to a greater or lesser degree, but it's still a guess as to how far you can go.

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