More I/O For AM5: PCIe 5, Additional PCIe Lanes, & More Displays

AMD’s other big expenditure using socket AM5’s additional pins is on I/O support. While AM4 already supported a fair bit of I/O, including 24 PCIe lanes, 3 displays, and 4 Superspeed USB ports, there was still room for improvement. So for AM5, AMD has increased the amount of I/O and the flexibility offered with the platform.

The biggest change here is that the AM5 socket now provides for 28 lanes of PCIe, a net gain of 4 lanes. More significantly still, PCIe 5.0 is now supported (at least on the Ryzen 7000 “Raphael” processors), doubling the bandwidth of all of those PCIe lanes to a max of 4GB/sec/lane. Which gives the chip a maximum cumulative PCIe bandwidth of 112GB/sec in each direction.

In practice, those additional lanes are intended for NVMe drives, giving AM5 a second x4 connection to drive a second NVMe drive; though we have seen some motherboard designs where vendors are stealing the second x4 for a PCIe 5.0 x4 slot. Past that, things look a lot like AM4, with 16 PCIe lanes to directly drive one or more PCIe slots, and then 4 lanes for hooking up the chipset.

Meanwhile, the updated socket also offers enough pins for the CPU to drive 4 Superspeed USB 3.x ports, and a USB 2 port. The USB 2 port is new for this generation, and meanwhile 3 of those USB 3 ports now also support the USB Type-C connector, unlike AM4 which could only natively drive Type-A ports. As a result, AM5 CPUs can drive a total of 3 Superspeed Type-C ports, a fourth Superspeed Type-A port, and then the aforementioned USB 2 port.

There has been one regression, however, and that is SATA support. Whereas AM4 CPUs could drive a mix of NVMe and SATA drives (up to 2 SATA + a PCIe x2 for NVMe), AM5 is purely PCIe. So there is no native SATA support on the CPU, and supplying that will come from the chipset.

To visualize this, we’ll use part of the AM5 chipset diagram. We’ll go more into the specifics of the chipsets in a bit, but lays out what is wired to the CPU, and what will need to be wired to the chipset. Of note there, the current chipsets only use PCIe 4.0 connectivity to the Ryzen CPU, so the current generation of chipsets will not be making full use of the bandwidth capabilities of the CPU itself.

Which with the addition of PCIe 5.0 support to the platform, is going to be a recurring theme. While AMD has baked in 5.0 support into the Raphael CPUs, it’s up to motherboard vendors to actually make it so. Compared to PCIe 4.0, 5.0 has much tighter signal integrity requirements (the signaling frequency has been doubled), which at least at this time, makes PCIe 5.0 expensive to implement. A very well-designed motherboard is required with impeccable traces, and on top of that the overall short throw of PCIe 5.0 means that retimers/redrivers become necessary rather quickly. So while AM5 can support PCIe 5.0 throughout, the reality is that we’re still going to see a lot of PCIe 4.0 in use even in higher-end motherboards.

As for the necessity of PCIe 5.0 overall, thus far AMD is primarily focused on what it means for NVMe drive speeds. The first generation of PCIe 5.0-enabled consumer SSDs are expected to land a bit later this year, and they should be able to hit sequential burst transfer rates above the limits of PCIe 4.0 (~7GB/sec).

Past that, NVIDIA’s newly announced Ada Lovelace architecture GeForce RTX 40 series video cards do not support PCIe 5.0. So while we’re awaiting AMD to announce their RDNA 3-based product lineup later this year, regardless of what AMD does, the bulk of video cards sold next year are not going to use PCIe 5.0. So there is a bit less pressure on motherboard manufactures (and motherboard buyers) to get boards that support PCIe 5.0 to anything beyond a couple of M.2 slots.

Finally, in conjunction with the USB I/O changes, AM5 also introduces some display I/O changes. Whereas AM4 could directly drive up to 3 displays, AM5 brings this to 4. Specifically, AM5 offers one dedicated display output (which will generally be allocated to HDMI), while the other 3 display outputs are available over those 3 USB Type-C ports as DisplayPort alt mode. It’ll be up to motherboard manufacturers if they want to expose any of these USB-C root ports as physical USB-C ports or as DisplayPorts, but so far from the motherboard designs we’ve seen, the former is more common (though certainly not universal).

Anticipating a shift to more USB Type-C displays, AMD is also implementing what they call “hybrid graphics” support on AM5. Unlike previous products where this referred to linking up the integrated graphics with a discrete GPU in CrossFire mode, this time around it refers to being able to being able to use the mobo/iGPU’s display outputs to drive a monitor while using a dGPU to render content. This is largely lifted from AMD’s laptop technologies, where similar techniques are used to allow the dGPU to be powered down when it’s not in use. In the case of desktop processors, this just means every display output will work, regardless of whether it’s plugged into ports coming from the CPU or a discrete video card.

It’s also worth noting that AM5 is bringing a few other, more minor updates to other comms protocols. Among these is support for MIPI’s (relatively) new I3C chip-to-chip signaling standard, which will ultimately be supplanting the long-used I2C standard. As well, AM5 doubles the number of I2C/I3C ports available, bringing the total to 4 ports. The platform also adds a second (enhanced) Serial Peripheral Interface (eSPI/SPI) port, and on the audio front, adds support for the Digital Mic and MIPI’s Soundwire standard for low-cost audio peripherals.

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  • Tom Sunday - Friday, September 30, 2022 - link

    Just today received a special sales notice from Micro Center giving away FREE 32GB DDR5 with any purchase of a Ryzen 7000 series CPU. I wonder if AMD is sponsering such a sales push and this early in the game? Giving away a $190 value is a big deal in the trying times of today! Reply
  • Castillan - Sunday, October 2, 2022 - link

    I suspect that's a Microcenter specific deal only. The RAM is 5600 at a fairly high latency (I think it was CAS40?). DDR5 prices have plummeted as well. The memory I picked up from Microcenter was 6600/CAS34 and marked down to 279 from 499.

    I'd guess that they have a surplus of a certain stock item that wasn't selling, and decided to use this promo to offload unwanted stock and still look good.
    Reply
  • imaskar - Friday, September 30, 2022 - link

    It would be really great to add code compilation tests: Java, Go, C++ (linux kernel), Rust. Reply
  • dizzynosed - Saturday, October 1, 2022 - link

    Si what shall I buy? Intel, amd, ??? Which cpu?? I only game. Reply
  • rocky12345 - Saturday, October 1, 2022 - link

    What's wrong with the gaming scores on the 7000 series there is no way a 5000 series should be able to match or beat a 7000 AMD CPU. I know this because I have a AMD Ryzen 5900x properly setup and tweaked. AMD is said to have sent DDR5 6000 with the test CPU's and asked the reviewers to use that to test with. Lets face it 97% of the people buying a new AMD Zen 4 setup or Intel 12th gen are not going to be using bargain basement low speed ram and if they do happen to buy cheaper ram most are more than likely to try and run it at the highest speed possible. did I read that right you used CL44 DDR5 5200Mhz talk about dead heading performance.

    Also maybe I missed it but what was the Intel test system setup? other than that it was a decent review. I never have seen Ryzen 5000 that close in gaming I guess using slow DDR5 knee jerks Ryzen 7000. My own ram is running at CL16 4000Mhz 2000IF and at the reported number in the review if I had the same video card I would be either faster or only slightly slower than the test results here for games and that would give me false hope that my Zen 3 was faster than it really is lol.
    Reply
  • Oxford Guy - Sunday, October 2, 2022 - link

    The only way you're going to see movement on this is if you lobby AMD to abandon JEDEC.

    This site sees JEDEC as all there is.
    Reply
  • GeoffreyA - Monday, October 3, 2022 - link

    I think it's about keeping a common baseline of memory speed, especially since Anandtech's database is about having parts directly comparable. Reply
  • Oxford Guy - Monday, October 10, 2022 - link

    That’s not the reason that has been given again and again and it’s a terrible one anyway. The parts are different. The memory that goes best with those parts differs. Reply
  • GeoffreyA - Tuesday, October 11, 2022 - link

    They should have set all the systems to DDR4 3200 and called it a day. Reply
  • byte99 - Sunday, October 2, 2022 - link

    I'm a bit confused. When Anandtech was doing their efficiency analysis, it seemed they were taking the 65W Eco mode label as the actual package power, instread of actually measuring it (as they usually do). When Ars Technica measured the package power of the 7950X and 7600X in 65w Eco Mode, they found it was 90W for both.

    [ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/09/ryzen-7600... ]

    Did Anandtech miss something obvious, or am I missing something?
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