Lenovo ThinkStation P300 Workstation Review: Haswell plus Quadroby Ian Cutress on November 4, 2014 10:00 AM EST
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Individual under-the-desk workstations are an integral part of modern society. Normally a work PC is either thought-limited or throughput-limited, but depending on the type of business and financials of that business, something in the middle might be required. Lenovo’s ThinkStation P300 is set up for that intersection, featuring a quad core Haswell Xeon, ECC memory and a Quadro K4000 under the hood. Our sample came with a downgrade to Windows 7, 8GB of DRAM and a 1TB 7200RPM SSHD drive for just over $2100.
Lenovo ThinkStation P300 Overview
The ThinkStation P-series comes in four sections: the P300 line with Haswell based Xeons and up to dual channel memory, the P500 line with Haswell-E Xeons and quad channel memory then the P700 which will offer a dual Haswell-E solution when it becomes available later this year. The P900 kicks it up a notch by offering a multi-PCIe solution version of the P700 with enhanced IO. The P300 model is aimed at entry level CAD and design, and comes in either a desktop case measuring 6.9” x 16.97” x 16.7” (175mm x 429mm x 424mm) or a small form factor at 4.0” x 14.8” x 13.3” (12.9l).
One of the goals of ThinkStation is to provide a series of units for end-users and businesses that are ISV certified and offer a series of Xeon and Professional graphics at different price points. The P300 line is aimed at the budget build, competing with the likes of Dell and HP in terms of what is usually the volume sales price points. Sometimes boutique builders like to play in this space, such as DigitalStorm, iBuyPower and Puget Systems using off-the-shelf parts for individual needs. Lenovo, Dell and HP on the other hand can custom build a lot under the hood, including the case design, the power supply and the motherboard specifically for the market they are targeting. This can be a double edged sword, such as designing your own motherboard, because the main consumer motherboard manufacturers have a lot of practice in designing function to coincide with user experience.
The hardware choice Lenovo sent was listed at $2135. The quad core Xeon E3-1276 v3 (3.6 GHz, turbo to 4 GHz) was paired with a single stick of 8GB DDR3 and a Seagate 1TB SSHD. The micro-ATX C226 motherboard was custom, and the Quadro K4000 represents the majority of the pure cost, retailing at $800 on its own. The system also came with a 450W 80 PLUS Platinum from FSP, a DVD multiburner, an SD card/USB 3.0 front panel and the custom case. Totaling these parts individually (replacing the case and motherboard for something similar) comes to $1720 indicating a $415 premium over a self-build, but that $415 comes with the safety of professional grade support. Three main points come to mind when looking at the specification list: DRAM, SSD and GPU.
Lenovo made a big mistake in the default DRAM arrangement by only using one memory module for what should be a dual channel setup. Users are well advised to invest into a unit that has at least two modules to get the better DRAM performance out of the system as our review today will show. Having a dual channel setup can afford 30% more performance in a number of important prosumer type tasks. Also, spending $2100 on a unit without any form of SSD-only storage is pretty brutal, especially for the CAD/design market that Lenovo is targeting. Lastly the GPU, the Quadro K4000 3GB, is the workstation equivalent to the GTX 650 Ti but at a lower frequency. The only upgrade Lenovo offers is the K4200, but for an extra $175 this increases the 768 CUDA Cores to 1344, a 75% increase and almost a no-brainer.
Having had our Lenovo Workstation P300 in for a number of weeks, it is clear that function is Lenovo’s main priority here. The BIOS is fairly rigid and unwieldy, with the included software at least interesting if a user wants to delve into the system. The CPU performance is the Xeon equivalent of an i7-4770, but our SPECviewPerf numbers look pretty awesome with the E5 v3 Xeon paired with the Quadro K4000. The power numbers are nice as well due to the power supply, and the downgrade to Windows 7 with included 8.1 disks should make most users feel comfortable. The motherboard is a little restrictive in terms of future upgrades as the empty SATA ports can interfere with PCIe devices, and the second full length PCIe slot is only an x1 via the chipset rather than an x8/x8 split. The 24-pin power is also split into different areas. The P300 is designed to work as purchased, rather than be significantly upgraded in the future it would seem.
Specifications and Features
|Lenovo ThinkStation P300|
|Processor||Intel Xeon E3-1276 v3
4 Cores, 8 Threads, 3.6 GHz (4.0 GHz Turbo)
|Cooling||Aluminium Heatsink with Fan|
|Power Supply||FSP 450W Platinum Custom Design|
|Memory||Samsung 1x8GB DDR3-1600 11-11-11 Non-ECC UDIMM|
|Memory Settings||1600 11-11-11|
|Video Cards||NVIDIA Quadro K4000 3GB
768 CUDA Cores, 810 MHz core, 192-bit
|Hard Drive||Seagate 1TB 7200RPM SSHD w/ 8GB Cache|
|Operating System||Windows 7 64-bit SP1 with Downgrade Rights from Windows 8|
|Front Panel||Power Button Audio Jacks
SD Card Reader
2 x USB 3.0
|Rear Panel||4 x USB 3.0 2 x USB 2.0
Intel Network Port
VGA Port (Intel IGP)
2 x DisplayPort (Intel IGP)
2 x DisplayPort (Quadro)
|Warranty||3 Year On-Site|
|Pricing||Starts at $2274 with Quadro K4200
Review system at $2130 with Quadro K4000
The Xeon E3-1276 v3 is the mid-range option for the P300, representing a $70 increase over the E3-1271 v3 (same speed, no integrated graphics) but the E3-1281 v3 is available (+100 MHz over 1276 v3) for an extra $470 which is a bit steep. Our review system came with Windows 7 Pro x64 pre-installed through downgrade rights allowing users to move back up to Windows 8 with the CDs included.
Since we took delivery of our sample, the Quadro K4200 is now the default option. It used to be a $175 upgrade for +75% more CUDA cores and I listed it as an obvious upgrade when I first received the system.
The main downside however is that single DRAM module being the default option for purchase. A second 8GB module is an extra $395, despite a self-build cost of $70 from Newegg for the same module. I would imagine that users with some common sense would install their own memory, although I’m sure Lenovo’s warranty system might not agree.
Taking the system out of the box, the first thought that crept into my mind was one of simplicity. The design is straight edged with a matte finish, providing airflow in the front and out of the back rather than anything through the top or sides. The front of the case has a power button and a microSD/USB arrangement, along with the DVD multiburner included. The red strip at the top is a grip handle for easier movement of the system but it also adds a small visual flair.
The front grille sports a ThinkStation logo along with an Intel sticker and one from Energy Star. Interesting to note that there is no indication of Quadro support here.
The rear of the case uses thumb screws to remove the side panel but due to the configuration we also see four DisplayPort outputs spread across the separate Quadro card and the integrated graphics of the CPU:
The Quadro GPU supports DVI-Dual Link and two DisplayPort modules, whereas the rear IO panel from the motherboard also comes in with VGA and COM port connectors. Four of the systems USB 3.0 ports are here (all native), along with two USB 2.0 ports and the network interface. Due to the Realtek ALC662 audio codec used, the system is only set for 2.1 type audio outputs.
After removing the thumbscrews and sliding the side-panel off, the inside looks like this:
Coming from the land of consumer builds, this does not look that impressive, but we have to keep in mind the intended market which does not involve side panel windows: function over form, so to speak. As Lenovo has greater control over their prosumer line, items like cable length can be configured to ideal spacing, rather than having to worry about too much cable management. Cable management still takes place however, with a single zip-tie keeping some cables at the top together and a plastic hook at the bottom which has nothing inside it.
We can identify the components in this image. At the top is the 450W Platinum power supply from FSP, non-modular and the only spare connectors are a couple of SATA power connectors already part used for the DVD multiburner which is in the top right. On the far left is an exhaust fan connected to the motherboard. Due to the use of an 84W processor, the CPU is cooled by an active cooler, however I would point out that this is a pure aluminium cooler rather than anything involving copper.
As this system cannot be overclocked, we measured peak load temperatures after five minutes of 79ºC on the CPU, which would suggest that high temperature climates combined with sustained workloads might cause some downclocking to occur. The thermal paste is perhaps over applied, but it would seem to be aluminium or silver based rather than a zinc-oxide or silicone derivative.
Our single stick of DRAM in the system is a UDIMM Non-ECC Samsung DDR3-1600 11-11-11 module and some of the most basic you can buy.
On the right hand side are our storage bays with the top one occupied with the Seagate 1TB SSHD and the bottom one empty for secondary storage devices.
The drives use a blue tray to be inserted and removed quickly, although due to Lenovo’s cable management it is highly advised to remove the SATA/Power cables before moving a drive.
Also on the right hand side is our intake fan that takes advantage of the hexagonal open design on the front grille:
Even having the system for only a couple of weeks, dust is already starting to build due to the lack of a dust filter on the front of the case. For prosumer use, where this system might be churning through workloads consistently during the weekday and perhaps overnight/weekends, the lack of a dust filter is a concern. Lenovo has also fitted the fan with a directional baffle to ensure the airflow is more directed at the GPU, although this might do more harm than good by increasing the static pressure on the fan.
On to the motherboard, and I have a few concerns here. Firstly is the power supply situation, as Lenovo is not using a standard 24-pin ATX connection for the main power supply to the board:
It would seem that the 24-pin is split into two or three different parts. A 4-pin takes care of the CPU near the rear panel, but this means that users wanting to upgrade for another GPU and PSU might need to take the dremel out or ask Lenovo for a new power supply as well.
Also on the motherboard, on the bottom right, we have the SATA ports. As we can see, two are occupied in red with two more behind it in red and one in black above it. These ports pose a big problem to anyone upgrading the system – a cable in the black port means restricted airflow for the GPU, and trying to place cables into the other red ports might also be an issue with how tight the other cables are in the design. It is also worth mentioning that due to the layout of the SATA ports, the use of locking cables means that the cables to the left have to be removed before those on the right can be removed, doubling any effort to install/remove extra drives. Also, the other situation comes from adding in a secondary GPU or PCIe coprocessor. If the device is long, like the Quadro K4000, it will block SATA ports. This is why the regular motherboard manufacturers usually put SATA ports at a right angle or further up the motherboard.
On the bottom left of the motherboard we have the other PCIe ports – a short x1, a long x1 and a PCI (from a PCIe to PCI bridge chip). Lenovo has aimed to make this case tool-less, so the PCIe slots are opened by adjusting the blue spring on the left. Above this is the case intrusion button.
Lenovo ThinkStation P300 In The Box
When a system like the P300 is delivered, all expectations are that the system is unpacked, plugged in, turned on and everything works with no need to install anything. This is pretty much how it works, with Lenovo supplying almost everything except for a monitor and speakers. In our package, Lenovo supplied a power cable, a mouse and a keyboard:
These are standard off-the-shelf USB parts, with the extended wrist rest on the keyboard being the nearest to an extra. Users who need mice with additional side buttons to automate various tasks (such as switching tabs, my main use for them) will have to invest in their own.
Also in the package is a set of disks:
These are recovery and update media for Windows 8.1, should the system need a complete reinstall.
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Dr.Neale - Wednesday, November 5, 2014 - linkAll the more reason why Kenobi should spend at least $20 more for an 8 GB stick of ECC memory, or $110 more for 2 x 8 GB dual-channel ECC memory, instead of saddling the end-user (buyer or lessor) with a crippled single-channel non-ECC memory system. Come on, it's less than the cost of upgrading the GPU from a K4000 to a K4200, and it would enhance the spec sheet considerably.
Other things being equal, isn't 16 GB ECC dual-channel memory MUCH more appealing than 8 GB non-ECC single-channel memory???
And it would generate MUCH more favorable reviews!!!
Dr.Neale - Wednesday, November 5, 2014 - linkDamn auto-correct changed "Lenovo" to "Kenobi" !?!?!
atl - Friday, November 7, 2014 - linkThis configuration is obviously unbalanced and have some funny moments with pricing.
You do not put by default on generic $2000 price range workstation $800 USD video cards.
Yes, with some GPU heavy workloads may require it, but in higher class workstation. Or, if is in this price range - in very rare cases.
Far better balanced will be if for same price get K2200 video card and with spared resources get
32GB RAM, good SSD + 2/4TB high class HDD - WD black or same range from other suppliers.
Also CPU is not well chosen - 1276 is 50% more expensive, but only 8.1% faster than 1230.
2. Funny thing about pricing.
I don't say over expensive, just can't find proper word for it.
Given CPU, RAM, HDD and VGA are commodity and can be obtained with same service/warranty quality from local supplier (sometimes with even better terms) and cost of it is around $1200, this left us with $1000 price tag for PSU/CASE/MB combo.
Note that Lenovo itself obtains this components on very lower than Newegg!!!
Sorry, but i can't imagine how semi commodity PSU for price tag under $100, virtually featureless motherboards and case without any special cooling, 4 PCI slots and even no frontal hot swap disk cases can cost $1000. Ye, i know that MB is "industrial strength, highly redundant, certified, sunroof, ABS, 4x4, etc", but this class MB costs under $300 from other suppliers.
Examples can continue but will stop here...
Dr.Neale - Friday, November 7, 2014 - linkUnbalanced? Agree 100% !
Best Bang-for-the-Buck Xeon (Haswell e3-1200 v3 series) = 1230? Disagree!!! Based on SuperBiiz (Price+Shipping):
Retail Box, CPU with no IGP:
1230 (3.3 / 3.7 GHz) $250
1231 (3.4 / 3.8 GHz) $250
1240 (3.4 / 3.8 GHz) $273
1241 (3.5 / 3.9 GHz) $272
1270 (3.5 / 3.9 GHz) $334
1271 (3.6 / 4.0 GHz) $335
Retail Box, CPU with IGP:
1245 (3.4 / 3.8 GHz) $285
1246 (3.5 / 3.9 GHz) $285
1275 (3.5 / 3.9 GHz) $347
1276 (3.6 / 4.0 GHz) $347
Assume a rock-bottom system cost of $1800 + CPU, then:
CPU Cost GHz
1230 $2050 (+0%) 3.3 (+0%)
1231 $2050 (+0%) 3.4 (+3%)
1240 $2073 (+1%) 3.4 (+3%)
1241 $2072 (+1%) 3.5 (+6%)
1245 $2085 (+2%) 3.4 (+3%)
1246 $2085 (+2%) 3.5 (+6%)
1270 $2134 (+4%) 3.5 (+6%)
1271 $2135 (+4%) 3.6 (+9%)
1275 $2147 (+5%) 3.5 (+6%)
1276 $2147 (+5%) 3.6 (+9%)
The IGP only adds about $12 - $13 or 0.6% to the system cost, so might as well get it.
The most expensive CPU, the 1276, raises the system cost by $97 or 4% over the 1230 / 1231, but raises the GHz by 9% / 6% over the 1230 / 1231.
So, the 1276 (or 1271) offer the best bang-for-the-buck, with (without) an IGP.
This is because although the CPU price increases by $97 or 35% (not 50%) in going from the 1230 (1231) to the 1276, the SYTEM price increases by 4%, for a 9% (6%) increase in CPU speed, which dominates the system performance.
P.S. The ASUS P9D WS lists on SuperBiiz for only $233 (price + shipping).
Dr.Neale - Friday, November 7, 2014 - linkOops, 1271 is 4% increase in SYSTEM price, 1276 is 5%.
The conclusion is unchanged.
Dr.Neale - Friday, November 7, 2014 - linkShould read CPU price increases by 39% (not 50%) in going from 1230 (1231) to 1276, the SYSTEM price increases by 5%, for a 9% (6%) increase in CPU speed, which dominates the system performance.
NeatOman - Monday, November 10, 2014 - link$500+ premium charge for the ThinkStation logo, i just did a quick newegg check and you can build the same system for under $1500 and something much better for $2000.. I'm talking about a Crucial M500 that has power loss protection and two server grade 2TB drives to run in RAID 1 (its very easy to change the default directory location for the user files)
But considering people that don't have the technical background, $1800 should be a "fair" price for the system with the K4000 leaving Lenovo with a $500+ profit considering they get the parts for cheaper.
NeatOman - Monday, November 10, 2014 - linkThe "under $1500" system was with two 8GB 1866 ecc unbuffered ram.
vicegrip77 - Friday, December 12, 2014 - linkWith the single DIMM it came with clock was at 798Mhz. P300 stock RAM has latencies of 10,10,10,25
Bought a Corsair Vengeance DD3-1600 dual channel kit 2x8 gig 9,9,9,24 to upgrade the P300. Memory clock drops to 665.1 MHz. Resulting RAM performance of 1333Mhz...
Stats obtained with HWINFO64 and CPU-Z ... Memory controller has max performance of 800Mhz according to tools so it should be able to clock at aprox 1600.
Really curious about why I can't get 1600 with dual channel ram on my new P300.
Harry_Wild - Tuesday, April 7, 2015 - linkI am in the market for a workstation PC and love ThinkCentre computers! But with this ThinkStation; it very pricey for a decent spec desktop PC! Everything that is upgradable is quite expensive! Going from 4GB to 8 GB is a $200 upgrade charge. Going to a 180GB SSD is additional $200 more! 240 GB is $300 more. Totally overcharge. Lenovo now give you like 5% discount but in order to get a decent PC; it upcharges on upgrades a lot! Not only that; an upgrade on CPU to a i7 4790 or 4770 not sure which one is $290!
I going to wait till the 5th generation is release and then buy the 4th generation at a massive discount! That the only way I can buy a P500 or P700 models! P300 is just too limited in expansion slots and memory and storage bays. I looking at sending around $1,200!