More I/O For AM5: PCIe 5, Additional PCIe Lanes, & More Displays

AMD’s other big expenditure using socket AM5’s additional pins is on I/O support. While AM4 already supported a fair bit of I/O, including 24 PCIe lanes, 3 displays, and 4 Superspeed USB ports, there was still room for improvement. So for AM5, AMD has increased the amount of I/O and the flexibility offered with the platform.

The biggest change here is that the AM5 socket now provides for 28 lanes of PCIe, a net gain of 4 lanes. More significantly still, PCIe 5.0 is now supported (at least on the Ryzen 7000 “Raphael” processors), doubling the bandwidth of all of those PCIe lanes to a max of 4GB/sec/lane. Which gives the chip a maximum cumulative PCIe bandwidth of 112GB/sec in each direction.

In practice, those additional lanes are intended for NVMe drives, giving AM5 a second x4 connection to drive a second NVMe drive; though we have seen some motherboard designs where vendors are stealing the second x4 for a PCIe 5.0 x4 slot. Past that, things look a lot like AM4, with 16 PCIe lanes to directly drive one or more PCIe slots, and then 4 lanes for hooking up the chipset.

Meanwhile, the updated socket also offers enough pins for the CPU to drive 4 Superspeed USB 3.x ports, and a USB 2 port. The USB 2 port is new for this generation, and meanwhile 3 of those USB 3 ports now also support the USB Type-C connector, unlike AM4 which could only natively drive Type-A ports. As a result, AM5 CPUs can drive a total of 3 Superspeed Type-C ports, a fourth Superspeed Type-A port, and then the aforementioned USB 2 port.

There has been one regression, however, and that is SATA support. Whereas AM4 CPUs could drive a mix of NVMe and SATA drives (up to 2 SATA + a PCIe x2 for NVMe), AM5 is purely PCIe. So there is no native SATA support on the CPU, and supplying that will come from the chipset.

To visualize this, we’ll use part of the AM5 chipset diagram. We’ll go more into the specifics of the chipsets in a bit, but lays out what is wired to the CPU, and what will need to be wired to the chipset. Of note there, the current chipsets only use PCIe 4.0 connectivity to the Ryzen CPU, so the current generation of chipsets will not be making full use of the bandwidth capabilities of the CPU itself.

Which with the addition of PCIe 5.0 support to the platform, is going to be a recurring theme. While AMD has baked in 5.0 support into the Raphael CPUs, it’s up to motherboard vendors to actually make it so. Compared to PCIe 4.0, 5.0 has much tighter signal integrity requirements (the signaling frequency has been doubled), which at least at this time, makes PCIe 5.0 expensive to implement. A very well-designed motherboard is required with impeccable traces, and on top of that the overall short throw of PCIe 5.0 means that retimers/redrivers become necessary rather quickly. So while AM5 can support PCIe 5.0 throughout, the reality is that we’re still going to see a lot of PCIe 4.0 in use even in higher-end motherboards.

As for the necessity of PCIe 5.0 overall, thus far AMD is primarily focused on what it means for NVMe drive speeds. The first generation of PCIe 5.0-enabled consumer SSDs are expected to land a bit later this year, and they should be able to hit sequential burst transfer rates above the limits of PCIe 4.0 (~7GB/sec).

Past that, NVIDIA’s newly announced Ada Lovelace architecture GeForce RTX 40 series video cards do not support PCIe 5.0. So while we’re awaiting AMD to announce their RDNA 3-based product lineup later this year, regardless of what AMD does, the bulk of video cards sold next year are not going to use PCIe 5.0. So there is a bit less pressure on motherboard manufactures (and motherboard buyers) to get boards that support PCIe 5.0 to anything beyond a couple of M.2 slots.

Finally, in conjunction with the USB I/O changes, AM5 also introduces some display I/O changes. Whereas AM4 could directly drive up to 3 displays, AM5 brings this to 4. Specifically, AM5 offers one dedicated display output (which will generally be allocated to HDMI), while the other 3 display outputs are available over those 3 USB Type-C ports as DisplayPort alt mode. It’ll be up to motherboard manufacturers if they want to expose any of these USB-C root ports as physical USB-C ports or as DisplayPorts, but so far from the motherboard designs we’ve seen, the former is more common (though certainly not universal).

Anticipating a shift to more USB Type-C displays, AMD is also implementing what they call “hybrid graphics” support on AM5. Unlike previous products where this referred to linking up the integrated graphics with a discrete GPU in CrossFire mode, this time around it refers to being able to being able to use the mobo/iGPU’s display outputs to drive a monitor while using a dGPU to render content. This is largely lifted from AMD’s laptop technologies, where similar techniques are used to allow the dGPU to be powered down when it’s not in use. In the case of desktop processors, this just means every display output will work, regardless of whether it’s plugged into ports coming from the CPU or a discrete video card.

It’s also worth noting that AM5 is bringing a few other, more minor updates to other comms protocols. Among these is support for MIPI’s (relatively) new I3C chip-to-chip signaling standard, which will ultimately be supplanting the long-used I2C standard. As well, AM5 doubles the number of I2C/I3C ports available, bringing the total to 4 ports. The platform also adds a second (enhanced) Serial Peripheral Interface (eSPI/SPI) port, and on the audio front, adds support for the Digital Mic and MIPI’s Soundwire standard for low-cost audio peripherals.

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  • linuxgeex - Monday, September 26, 2022 - link

    All Microsoft customers are QA testers, lol. That's always how it's been. Reply
  • Kangal - Tuesday, September 27, 2022 - link

    Isn't that what goes for Linux?
    The only difference is that you don't pay money, you just pay in time, effort, frustration, and your soul.
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  • Hifihedgehog - Tuesday, September 27, 2022 - link

    Exactly. And you compile your own kernel for 24 hours hoping it will finish successfully. Reply
  • at_clucks - Wednesday, October 19, 2022 - link

    Not if you use the latest Ryzen 9 7950X. You may still pray it's successful at the end but God will answer a lot faster :). Reply
  • elforeign - Monday, September 26, 2022 - link

    Ah yes, the capitalistic adage of less is more. I'm sorry you guys have to deal with this, as with anyone in the workforce, where the powers that be sit on their ass with their cushy millions and say workers can do less with more and pile on with disregard.

    On a further note, I have been coming to Anandtech since the mid 00's. While I can understand the expectation surrounding good grammar and flawless articles, some issues are bound to come up now and then. The vitriol you guys receive for some simple grammar or syntax mistake is crazy.
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    "Ah yes, the capitalistic adage of less is more."

    This is not a thing.
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  • herozeros - Monday, September 26, 2022 - link

    Kind reply, thanks. Hope your week lets you catch up.

    No more copy editors?! I guess my blonde is all now truly grey . . . sigh
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  • emn13 - Monday, September 26, 2022 - link

    I for one thoroughly enjoyed your article, and appreciate the technical content - a few editing nits don't detract from that.

    And hey, if I were to whine about embarrassing editing mistakes, rather than focusing on a long article written in limited time due to AMD's schedule, I'd poke fun at the 100 000 000 000 $ company's press slides touting their EXPO tech's openness in the form of public "doucments". 😀
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  • linuxgeex - Monday, September 26, 2022 - link

    So long as you're open to community feedback to correct hasty errors, there's no need for copy editors, and you can push your articles faster, which we'll all appreciate. Saying thanks is much more productive than making excuses. It shows that you appreciate your community. Reply

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